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SO a) any errors on PCN e.g. can the CEO's signature be acceptable?
b) any chance someone is near Montague street, next to British museum and can check the signs and bay markings.
I wondered where my reply went lol!? A signature is not required as long as the person who issued the pcn can be identified so his CEO number is sufficient. I think your best bet is to explain that it took the driver more than 3 minutes to collect the disabled person as I assume you only parked to collect them! Arguing about signs etc when there is a clear exemption for alighting and boarding is wasting your time.
G & |M
are you saying that anyone can stop in a residents bay or P & D bay to allow boarding and alighting or only BB holders?
interestingly I did arrive back with my BB holder passenger whilst the CEO was still there. but hypothetically I have a concern about claiming this possible exemption in case the CEO has notes that he saw the car earlier and left it for a while for that reason. Which would be decent if perhaps unusual.
I would like to know the sign because it may just have been a P & D bay and not shared use so pcn is invalid.
G & |M
are you saying that anyone can stop in a residents bay or P & D bay to allow boarding and alighting or only BB holders?
interestingly I did arrive back with my BB holder passenger whilst the CEO was still there. but hypothetically I have a concern about claiming this possible exemption in case the CEO has notes that he saw the car earlier and left it for a while for that reason. Which would be decent if perhaps unusual.
I would like to know the sign because it may just have been a P & D bay and not shared use so pcn is invalid.
Is mine code 12o or 120 (non-existent). if 12o, why reference the blue badge?
Anyone can board or alight in most bays except the obvious ones like bus stops but unlike BB holders it would be expected for the driver to be in the car as they obviously are not the ones boarding or alighting. BB and those with small children can reasonably expect to be allowed time to assist to an adjacent property so may leave the vehicle.
The 'o' suffix is to denote a BB was used although its not technically required but clarifies the contravention. I very much doubt that a CEO in Camden would observe a car for any longer than the minimum and if he did it would more than likely be recorded on the PCN.
Putting aside alighting/boarding exemption; I would like to have as many points against the pcn as possible to assist if one gets knocked down.
SO I was wondering whether the description of the location of contravention is detialed enough. I found this link on Camden's website for Montague Street. Controlled parking zones=
Given that there are a number of differnet parking areas, should the PCN not be more specific to enable me to ascertian validity?
I sent my informal reps by e-mail on 14th Nov and received an auto-acknowledgement.
My reasons were:1) mitigation, It was a first offence that I fell foul of
the different regulations that apply in Camden to my own borough (Haringey)
2) the vehicle displayed a blue badge. The boarding/alighting exemption
should apply. The observation time of 3 minutes was insufficient to account
for this. The CEO was present on return to vehicle and commented "they are
not allowed to park here".
3) I would respectfully suggest that the pcn should be invalid because the
location is insufficient to identify the parking bay to check that bay's
validity. According to Camden's websitre there are at least 5 bays that it
could be.
4) THe code is marked as 120. There is a variation in payment for code 12s.
Does this apply or not. IT is very misleading
There is a variation in payment for code 12s.
Does this apply or not. IT is very misleading
The suffix 'o' for a blue badge holder should make no difference to the charge 's' is for shared use bay. All 12's should be at the higher rate suffixs are just to help clarify thr contravention.
G & M, it is the case that 12s can be at the lower rate if you prove you are visiting a resident (see pcn reverse) so if the code isn't obvious then I have lost that opportunity.
Am I not right that informal reps have to be considered?
If that is correct and the LA have not done so, does that invalidate the PCN or can the council just reverse the clock.
Any other answers to my earlier questions will also be gratefully received.
also is there any mileage in the fact that my Camden PCN only states TMA 2004 whereas other PCNs refer to various regulations as part of the TMA?
Aside from questions above, I have just sat down to respond to NtO. I have ticked a couple of boxes and realised there is no space on NtO for an explanation. Now of course I could attach a sheet of paper but usually you would expect to see a box to write and a request to add more sheets if required. I was genuinely surprised that there was no directions about this - should there be?
Camden PCN - bluebadge user
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Arguing about signs etc when there is a clear exemption for alighting and boarding is wasting your time.
Originally Posted by bribri
