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    • They did reply to my defence stating it would fail and enclosed copies of NOA, DN Term letter and account statements. All copies of T&C's that could be reconstructions and the IP address on there resolves to the town where MBNA offices are, not my location
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    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
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Yesterday I was out of town on an appointment, called into Morrisons for 10 minutes, came back to a parking ticket for £40 or £15 if I pay in 14 days.

 

I'm not familiar with this particular town and as I drove into the car park, saw a sign saying 2 hours parking free. I just parked up and ran in, didn't realise you have to get a pay and display ticket, and I'm presuming you then get your money back from the store...

 

Anyway, I was fuming, the 'warden' said he was working for Morrisons, Morrisons say he's not working for them, he works for CP Plus and to take it up with them.

 

There was a shoddy badly photocopied note in with the parking ticket saying any appeals should be made in writing but appeals will only be considered if the charge was issued by mistake and no appeals will be considered if you were not aware of any charges / did not see the signs / did not know how to pay / vehicle was broken down.

 

So basically, they've got me haven't they?

 

I'm fuming. £15. I spent £50 in that store, it's just not fair.

 

Shall I pay or throw the ticket away?

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well their invoice already breaks at least one Statutory Instrument (and I can think of a couple more). Do NOT contact them. Wait for the Registered Keeper to receive a letter from them and then post that up here - also suitably washed of personal details. I note that you said it was you that parked (bad idea !) but have not said who the Owner of the vehicle is - that is good. Do NOT mention who the owner is in this thread OR IN ANY PMs that you may send - ever. And do NOT imply it either.

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I'm really quite nervous about this, shall I take the pictures down now?

 

I'm on the verge of paying the £15 to be honest, I just don't want to get to the stage where the fee is going up and up...

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The man has given you a penalty charge. Private companies cannot issue penalties - only councils can do such a thing.

 

It's probably an offence under the 2006 Fraud Act to even demand a penalty charge.

 

All you have is an unenforceable invoice. All they can do is claim the losses they've incurred (£1 from you not pay and displaying) and even then, since you were a customer I doubt they're even entitled to that.

 

It's just one big [problem].

 

• do not pay

• do not contact them

ignore any letters you receive, no matter how threatening

• they will go away after 5 or 6

 

 

I'm on the verge of paying the £15 to be honest, I just don't want to get to the stage where the fee is going up and up...

 

The 'fee' will go up and up. It's just a con to scare you into paying. They could send you a letter next week demanding £1,000. They could demand a million pounds.

 

Why do you think you should pay? Just ignore the clowns. It's a [problem].

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How very modern of CP Plus that they will take payment in £s or Euros, although I see they are using a conversion rate of 1.62 when the current rate is more like 1.28 so I bet they also hope everyone pays in Euros!!

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Well I cheered up a bit reading these replies, BUT... they seem like a 'proper' company, they have a website and a client list, and surely Morrisons wouldn't employ a bunch of thieves...

 

I'm worrying myself sick about all this, it's just so unfair.

 

And how did I spend £50 in ten minutes? Firstly I'm a woman, secondly I can't resist a wine offer.

 

To pay or not to pay. I really want to believe you guys... and that it will all go away if I ignore it...

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Well I cheered up a bit reading these replies, BUT... they seem like a 'proper' company,

 

they may be a "proper" company, but that doesn't make them honest and ethical

 

they have a website and a client list,

..and may have been set up in 5 minutes ( probably wasn't but that doesn't change anything)

 

and surely Morrisons wouldn't employ a bunch of thieves...

 

 

*rofl* why not?

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We had a similar one and they went away eventually.

 

Not as bad as the day I got wheelclamped for going to the Co-op in Whitby for ten minutes. They wanted £117.50 which I did not have so I told him to take my car as it wasn't worth that. He took the clamp off:D

BANK CHARGES

Nat West Bus Acct £1750 reclaim - WON

 

LTSB Bus Acct £1650 charges w/o against o/s balance - WON

 

Halifax Pers Acct £1650 charges taken from benefits - WON

 

Others

 

GE Money sec loan - £1900 in charges - settlement agreed

GE Money sec loan - ERC of £2.5K valid for 15 years - on standby

FirstPlus - missold PPI of £20K for friends - WON

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BUT... they seem like a 'proper' company, they have a website and a client list, and surely Morrisons wouldn't employ a bunch of thieves...

 

You would be surprised. They're all at it - remember the supermarket gets a cut from every ticket. Feel free to write and complain to Morrisons and tell them how disgusted you are that they are employing companies who scare and intimidate their customers into paying unlawful penalties.

 

I'm worrying myself sick about all this, it's just so unfair.

Please try not to worry. You're the exact reason these companies make their money - by scaring you into paying. People do get scared and they try to make their paperwork seem as intimidating as possible because they know it.

On the other hand, why worry at all? All you have to do is ignore some letters that come through your door. After they've sent 4 or 5 and used up their red ink they WILL go away.

 

If you want more reassurance, post your thread here too and a whole new bunch of people will tell you what we're telling you!

FightBack Forums -> Parking and Decriminalised Notices

 

To pay or not to pay. I really want to believe you guys... and that it will all go away if I ignore it...

Please don't pay. If it's any comfort, I got one in March and have had two letters which I completely ignored. The record on the forum is 70 (seventy) of these tickets.

 

Feel free to post every letter you receive (minus personal details) and we'll tell you to ignore each one. No doubt they'll be full of illegal terms.

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Zayna,

 

If you're really that concerned, wait for them to write to the registered keeper (RK). Then the registered keeper should write to them stating (without saying anything about the situation) that the letter appears to have been sent by mistake, and would they mind sending corroborating information otherwise the RK will ignore all future correspondence.

 

In all likelihood they won't - the registered keeper will just get a standard "your appeal has been rejected" letter. Then you're home free as they can't take you or the registered keeper to court if they haven't answered a reasonable question with a straightforward answer. At the very least they should provide a copy of the alleged contract.

 

Take a deep breath, have a glass of that nice wine you bought and you'll soon perk up :)

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CALM DOWN !

 

look at my thread, going through two at the moment

one sainsbury's one wickes... See some of the threatening letters

I have received !!!

 

I'm just ignoring them all

 

I would have paid long ago had I not discovered this site

 

(from page 12 on http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/20701-parking-charge-70-euro-12.html )

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Zayna,

 

If you're really that concerned, wait for them to write to the registered keeper (RK). Then the registered keeper should write to them stating (without saying anything about the situation) that the letter appears to have been sent by mistake, and would they mind sending corroborating information otherwise the RK will ignore all future correspondence.

 

In all likelihood they won't - the registered keeper will just get a standard "your appeal has been rejected" letter. Then you're home free as they can't take you or the registered keeper to court if they haven't answered a reasonable question with a straightforward answer. At the very least they should provide a copy of the alleged contract.

 

Take a deep breath, have a glass of that nice wine you bought and you'll soon perk up :)

I would err on the side of caution.

 

The PPC can issue a claim in the courts against the registered keeper.

 

Whether they do so or not is another matter. In all likelihood, they will send more letters, possibly even involving a debt collection agency, with words like "CCJ" and "credit rating". And then they will stop. You can either respond to these letters (there are suggested responses in the stickies here), or you could just ignore them.

 

However, in the event that they do issue a claim, the registered keeper has a number of defences that they might use.

 

  • If the registered keeper was not the driver at the time of the alleged "contravention", there was no contract.
  • There was no breach of contract - the sign invited the driver to park.
  • in the event of a breach of contract, the charge amounts to a penalty, which is not enforceable. Only actual demonstrable loss may be claimed as damages.

 

If, in the unlikely event that it does reach the stage of a claim in court, you should note that advice given on the internet is no substitute for qualified legal opinion. Anyone here would be glad to give pointers though.

 

In any case, I wouldn't sweat it. Historically, all that happens is that letters are sent, replies are ignored, and the whole tawdry affair is soon forgotten.

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