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    Default Facing dismissal after accident at work left me unable to do job.

    Hi all,
    Im wondering if anybody can give me some advice on a matter. I had an accident at work a few months back which led to me being on long term sick. I am now left hardly able to walk and unable to do anything other than lie down for 3 quarters of my day (due to the accident). I have clamed Income protection insurance which was run through the company via an insurance company. The company have hardly been in touch over the last few months since my accident, and i feel like i have just been tossed aside. My manager called me today to inform me that HR (Human Resources) are awaiting to see if my insurance claim for IPI is going to go through, if it does not they are talking about dismissalicon, this to me just seems like a kick in the teeth after all i was doing work for them when the accident happened and was following all set procedures so i wasnt doing anything negligent. It just seems a bit cheeky to say they will keep me employed if the insurance company will cough up some of my wages (under insurance terms im only entitled to 2/3 of my wage from them), but if the insurance company wont they will get rid off me.
    Any help on where i stand would truly be appreciated.
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    Default Re: Facing dismissal after accident at work left me unable to do job.

    Are you a member of an union?

    All help is merely my opinion only - please seek legal advice if you need to as I am only qualified in SEN law.

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    Default Re: Facing dismissal after accident at work left me unable to do job.

    What were the circumstances of your accident? Were there any H&S failures and were HSE informed? What is the prognosis for your injury and is there any hope of a possible date for you to return to work? Also, importantly, how long have you worked for this employer?

    Your employer will find it difficult to just 'get rid of you' and there should be a number of stages for them to go through before that becomes a possibility. They should not dismiss you for being off sickicon, but could invoke a capability procedure if they believe that you are unfit to do your job. Capability on the grounds of ill health should involve medical reports, discussion with you and consideration as to whether you might be able to resume work in another role.

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    Default Re: Facing dismissal after accident at work left me unable to do job.

    In response to tiglet, no unfortunately im not a member of a union.
    In response to Sidewinder, no there werent any H+S failures, andtherefore dont know wether or not the H+S were informed. It was a manual handling issue, basicaly carrying a set of ladders and there was a sudden gust of wind which wrenched the ladders back, thus my back was damaged a lot in this process. Ive been with the company 5 years and they have been great untill this now i feel like im just being totally ignored.My prognosis isn,t good, my consultant has wrote to them saying that i will never be able to do a manual job again, and due to the pain controlling medication i am on, it makes it pretty impossible to do anything worthwhile at the min. As for the duration this medication im on could last , well nobody has any answsers its some form of nerve damage that could go tomorrow, six months time, or six years time or never , so i cant give them a deffinate answer. So I think they will be dissmissing me on medical grounds, it just doesn't seem fair but the company are probably well within there rights to getrid off me. Its just taking me some time to get my head round this. Thanks for the replies
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    Default Re: Facing dismissal after accident at work left me unable to do job.

    Sorry, but from your explanation, it is most definitely a H&S issue. Quite simply, long loads like that should not be carried by one person - and I'm willing to bet that there isn't a risk assessment in place anyway.

    And since you have been off-work for more than 3 days the HSE must be informed by law (RIDDOR)


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    Default Re: Facing dismissal after accident at work left me unable to do job.

    Hi Pat,
    Thanks for your reply but from what i can figure, the H+S have passed our working procedures as safe, and as for a risk assesment this is done on site by us, this was done but there was no way to forsee the gust of wind. Its a very big company so the H+S are always involved in our working practices. I think maybe im on a road to nowhere now and all i wanted was to be treated with some respect from them, now i feel like im just thrown on the proverbial scrap heap.
    But Pat if the manual handling issue you mention is right, then how do i go about investigating it myself?
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    Default Re: Facing dismissal after accident at work left me unable to do job.

    Quote Originally Posted by patdavies View Post
    Sorry, but from your explanation, it is most definitely a H&S issue. Quite simply, long loads like that should not be carried by one person - and I'm willing to bet that there isn't a risk assessment in place anyway.

    And since you have been off-work for more than 3 days the HSE must be informed by law (RIDDOR)
    Thanks Pat - absolutely where I was coming from!

    RIDDOR places a legal responsibility on employers to report any injury, resulting in either an absence from work for three days or more, or an injury which results in an employee being unable to carry our their full range of duties for more than three days, to the local enforcing authority within ten days of the injury occurring. It matters not a jot that HSE may have passed the company's working practices as safe prior to the incident, there is a legal duty for what has happened to be investigated and action taken to prevent a similar occurrence in the future. The company may have an immaculate collection of Risk Assessments on hand to cater for every process possible and every piece of equipment in use, but that does not matter. What does is that something has happened which could have been prevented, and should be preventable in the future if corrective action is now taken. Remember - there is no such thing as an accident - it is merely an unforeseen occurrence, but which had it been foreseen the effect could have been minimised.

    Believe you me I am no fan of the much publicised 'claims culture' or ambulance chasing lawyers, but I really think that you need to look to your own needs, particularly if, as you suspect, that your employer may be looking to get rid of you. Certainly this was a freak event which may well have been a once in a blue moon incident, but nevertheless it happened and you would not have been injured if measures were in place to minimise the effect of the ladder being blown back. In recent years I have seen incidents involving an employee listening to an iPOD and walking in front of a pallet truck, an employee injured whilst closing a shutter with a forklift, and another who suffered injury to his knees through standing for too long on a hard floor. In two of those cases the injury was entirely the employee's fault, but all three successfully claimed for compensation as the employer had not predicted that the incident or injury could occur and put measures in place to minimise the risk.

    It isn't about whether the company has been good to you in the past either. They can be the best employer in the world, but the fact is that you have received potentially a life-changing injury whilst carrying out work on their behalf. There is no need to fall out with them over this either - it is about your future, and there are laws which would prevent them from being vindictive if they chose to anyway. Never mind about an insurance claim for IPI - you need to make enquiries about the possibility of claiming for loss of earnings both past and future and to compensate for the damage and disruption caused to your life. In the first instance you should ask whether the incident was reported to HSE (or the local Environmental Health) under RIDDOR and ask for details. I would hazard a guess that it wasn't as you would have been questioned about it long before now. Whether it was or wasn't you should phone the Incident Contact Centre on 0845 3009 923 for advice, or complete the details of the incident online

    Take it from there - you may well end up speaking to a specialist injury lawyer - I am sure that you have seen the adverts!

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    Default Re: Facing dismissal after accident at work left me unable to do job.

    Sidewinder,

    I think that deserves rep.


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    Default Re: Facing dismissal after accident at work left me unable to do job.

    Hi Davieg,

    I can see where your coming from, on one side you don't want to fall out with what, has been to now, a reasonable employer. On the other hand, your future is now in jeopardy. You have to look after yourself. You are getting some outstanding advice here. My advice to you would be to use it and safeguard yourself and your family.

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    Default Re: Facing dismissal after accident at work left me unable to do job.

    Thanks everyone for your replies especially Sidewinder, Today im going to look into wether the accident has been reported to H+S , like you said i doubt it because nobody has really contacted me about the accident. Ill let you all know how i go on. Youre all right i got to put mine and my families security first because this is likely to have a long term effect on my life. Thanks all for your advice really appreciate it.



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