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    Default bus lane PCN time error obviates offence?

    Hi. I've just received a pcnicon from Tower Hamlets stating that my wife was driving:
    In XXX road On 11/09/08 At 11:09:00.

    1) they appear to have repeated the date 11/09 in the time field. Had she been driving in the bus lane at 11.09 she would not have been committing an offence (It's a 7-10, 4-7 lane).
    2) they have dated the notice 26.09.08 for a contravention date of 11.09.08.

    There is a photo of my car, with a camera overlay showing a time of 17.24.04, but who know's what time she was there (turning left, not jumping the queue, incidentally...)

    Any chance we can save £60/120?

    Thanks a lot!

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    Default Re: bus lane PCN time error obviates offence?

    I would wait until its too late to re-issue a pcnicon for the correct time and then plead guilty to being in the Bus Lane at 11.09 and state its not a bus lane at that time of day.


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    Default Re: bus lane PCN time error obviates offence?

    seems logical. yet another example of paperwork that is most definately wrong. How many have paid when the error wen the other way. And how can they by running systems that allow this to happen ? either "the system did it itself" which means it is entirely suspect or someone created this data anomaly - how can they be allowed to manually create this kind of thing ?


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    Default Re: bus lane PCN time error obviates offence?

    Thanks both.

    <I would wait until its too late to re-issue a pcnicon>
    How long would that be, G&M? Can you point me towards any regs or whatever? I don't want to start a crusade here, but I'm happy to challenge them if it's a black-and-white case.

    I couldn't tell from other posts whether the time on [parking] tickets was of the essence - you're saying it definitely is here, right?

    Only discovered the site this morning; so satisfying to see the b*ggers being knocked into line. I'm tempted to go and pick up a ticket from a private firm just to waste their time challenging it...


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    Default Re: bus lane PCN time error obviates offence?

    Quote Originally Posted by green_and_mean View Post
    I would wait until its too late to re-issue a pcnicon for the correct time and then plead guilty to being in the Bus Lane at 11.09 and state its not a bus lane at that time of day.
    Surely you wouldn't be pleading "guilty" to being in the bus lane at 11:09, rather you would claim "the contravention didn't take place" because no such contravention exists at 11:09?


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    Default Re: bus lane PCN time error obviates offence?

    Quote Originally Posted by crem View Post
    Surely you wouldn't be pleading "guilty" to being in the bus lane at 11:09, rather you would claim "the contravention didn't take place" because no such contravention exists at 11:09?

    I didn't mean guilty in the sense of going to court just admit to being in the bus lane at the time they stated which in itself is not a contravention.


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    Default Re: bus lane PCN time error obviates offence?

    TH bus lane PCNs are non=compliant as think I recall from a recent one.

    Need to see it.
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    Default Re: bus lane PCN time error obviates offence?

    Tower Hamlet bus lane pcnicon's do not comply with the London Local Authorities Act in that they state the following:-

    "The penalty charge of £120 is payable and must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice"

    It should read:-

    "The penalty charge of £120 is payable and must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of this notice"

    A subtle difference but enough to render the PCN unenforceable. There have been cases at PATAS that have been won on this point.


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    Default Re: bus lane PCN time error obviates offence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob S View Post
    There have been cases at PATAS that have been won on this point.
    LOL!

    Ya still dancin! ?

    Yep, that was the bit I meant.
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