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    Default Car towed away - £250 cost to return

    Hi all I'm new to this sort of thing and wondered if anyone can help or advise? I parked my car on what appeared to be waste land. Other cars also parked up. When i returned to my car it had been towed away. There were some signs A4 size approx 10metres away. 'WARNING PRIVATE PROPERTY ETC ETC £250 CASH ONLY to return vehicle. Not what i'd call adequate size of sign. Can i appeal and if so what are the things that need to be checked ie size and location of signage. The thing is you have to hand over the £250 or you pay an extra £35 per night. How can this be legal?

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    Default Re: Car towed away - £250 cost to return

    Have you got anything in writing from them? What is the name of the company?

    I could be barking entirely up the wrong tree here, but I suspect that it COULD be illegal for a private company to tow your car as opposed to a public sector organisation...(i.e. police, council etc).

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    Default Re: Car towed away - £250 cost to return

    Thanks for responding. This incident happened in Hull. The company is registered as Sector Security Ltd. London. I reeceived a reciept and when i asked about an appeal was told to refer to the Head Office. I do believe that this company is acting on behalf of a private meat factory facility. They may also act on behalf of the council. I will make enquiries topmaorrow as I'm a council officer myself.


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    Default Re: Car towed away - £250 cost to return

    Towing like this on private land is considered to be the same sort of activity as clamping and thus the "rules" such as they are apply. Have a read of the clamping guide in the stickies as this will give you an idea of your rights and some remedies.

    Unfortunately unless the towing firm are feeling charitable (read snowballs chance in hell), then the chances of getting your dosh back without a fight are practically nil. You may have to resort to a civil dispute and take action in county courticon to get you money back. However from the little you've said the signs are probably not adequate enough for purpose. It will depend on convincing a judge that they were inadequate.

    If you paid by card then their is a chance of getting your money back from your bank/credit card company.

    You should also check their receipt is compliant with the SIA regulations etc. (see the guide).

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    Thanks for responding pin1onu. Looking at the signs i'm sure they're the regulation size as they are pinned up in the surrounding area on forecourts etc. However my defence will be based upon the fact that there was no clear indication that the land was private. No signage indicating - PRIVATE LAND KEEP OFF. The warning/enforcement signs were approx 10-15m away. I can't find anywhere that states what the max distance of warning/enforcement signs should be from the area that is covered by security. Surely as these signs are about A4 size there must be a max distance. Are you aware of any codes of practice? Of course it's in the best interesticon of the security firms to make the signs less obvious therefore ensuring a catch. Just a point i'd also like to make - when i picked my car up from their scrawny little yard I noticed they also towed away an older car with a child seat in the front. They told me that the poor mother couldn't afford to pay and each day £35.00 was added on top of the £250.....what a set of scum!


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    Default Re: Car towed away - £250 cost to return

    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur versus Anker
    if the remedy were in principle applicable it would apply to a party who genuinely did not know that he was trespassing and had received a notice that his car might be clamped
    The issue appears to be whether your consent to be clamped / toweded may be inferred from the notices.

    The notice would be required to be reasonable (i.e. visible and clear), and contain the relevant terms (i.e. by parking there, you consent to being clamped / towed, for which there is a reasonable charge). It wouldn't necessarily need to say that the land was private.

    The SIA may have guidelines, and the Private Security Industry Act may have legislation relating to the regulation of the clampers / removers, but it would seem to me that it ultimately depends on whether the signs are large enough and clear enough - have you obtained photos?


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    Default Re: Car towed away - £250 cost to return

    Quote Originally Posted by My Real Name View Post
    The SIA may have guidelines, and the Private Security Industry Act may have legislation relating to the regulation of the clampers / removers, but it would seem to me that it ultimately depends on whether the signs are large enough and clear enough - have you obtained photos?
    Agreed with the last statement.

    The SIA make it clear on their website that they do not regulate the signage, the size of the release fee etc. There is no minimum size or height laid down either in case law or on the statute books.

    The SIA deal with licensing the people doing the clamping/towing. IMO it's only 1/2 a solution. Typical government thing - 1/2 baked solution which only addresses part of the problem.

    The nub of the problem is could the signs be seen and understood. This is the essense of the case law. Arthur Vs Anker "if you park in defiance of a sign you can expect to be clamped". This was modified by the Vine case about the signs not only being visible but the driver has to be able to understand and agree to them.

    As I've said you've got to convince a county courticon judge that the signage was inadequate by reason of size or visability (postioning and at what height,was it obscured, was there enough light to read the sign or wording). Also was it clear from the sign that you would be towed away? Also was their any signage at the entrance to the land. You definitely need photos to back your claim.

    The other thing is to check that tow away firm had all the necessary SIA licensing and also permission from the landowner to tow away. It's an offense to perform this activity without a license and it's also an offense to employ unlicensed indivuals. Both the landowner and tow away can be done. If they are unlicensed then the towing would be deemed illegal and you should be able to get your dosh back.

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