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Recently received a pcn while parked on a verge off the road by Zig Zag lines. PCN states 99 Stopped on a pedestrian crossing or crossing area markd by zigzags (99).
But I was actually parked off the road on a verge which has zig zag lines in front of it on the road. Do I have a case for getting this dismissed for the wrong contravention being stated on the PCN?
My question is how far does the boundary of the Zig Zag lines reach?
Should it have been a PCN for parking on the verge rather than a 99 contravention.
I telephoned the Traffic Services phone number and someone on the phone said that the zig zag lines extend to all/any boundaries and covers the area I was parked. But he didn't seem that clear exactly what boundaries are exactly etc. so he may just be bulls***ing me.
Re: PCN by ZIG ZAG lines on Verge (Zig Zags boundary)
Originally Posted by guyguy
Recently received a pcn while parked on a verge off the road by Zig Zag lines. PCN states 99 Stopped on a pedestrian crossing or crossing area markd by zigzags (99).
When you say verge, whereabouts in Epping High St is this. I've looked on Google maps and all the zig-zag markings seem to have pavement either side
Re: PCN by ZIG ZAG lines on Verge (Zig Zags boundary)
The below picture shows the area.
www [dot] pinkytips [dot] com /images/pav [dot] jpg
In the bottom right corner of the picture is the area I was parked (the area has some paving on it and everyone parks there next to the two marked parking bays on the right also with zig zag lines in front of them). A little further along the area I was on just off of the picture the paved area turns into a verge with grass on it that continues up the road. The public walkway is on the other side of the verge and the paved area I was parked on.
Originally Posted by Michael Browne
When you say verge, whereabouts in Epping High St is this. I've looked on Google maps and all the zig-zag markings seem to have pavement either side
Originally Posted by lamma
I think it depend on the definition of 'carriageway' - not defined in TSRGD.
Has anyone fought a pcn stating that the definition of 'carriageway' does not include the verge or similar under these circumstances.
And if you view the above picture I have posted, would that make the parking bays that have zig zag lines in front of them illegal also?
Re: PCN by ZIG ZAG lines on Verge (Zig Zags boundary)
Traffic Regulation Orders (TROs)
Where waiting restrictions are in place by virtue of a TRO and signs and lines are in place to give lawful effect to the restrictions, these apply to any part of the width of a road. A road for the purposes of the RTRA means "any length of highway or road to which the public has access" and therefore is much broader in its meaning than "carriageway".
Unless otherwise stated in the TRO, the restrictions shown by the kerbside lines and signs apply to the whole width of the road up to the boundary of the adjacent properties, so this would include the verge.
Re: PCN by ZIG ZAG lines on Verge (Zig Zags boundary)
Does the below only apply to lines or signs regarding 'waiting restrictions' or to zig zag lines as well (which are not waiting restrictions) ? Also if you view the picture in my last post does that not make it illegal to park in the provided bays with zig zag lines in front of them?
Originally Posted by SharpmanTF1
This may be clearer
Where waiting restrictions are in place by virtue of a TRO and signs and lines are in place to give lawful effect to the restrictions, these apply to any part of the width of a road. A road for the purposes of the RTRA means "any length of highway or road to which the public has access" and therefore is much broader in its meaning than "carriageway".
Re: PCN by ZIG ZAG lines on Verge (Zig Zags boundary)
Also if you view the picture in my last post does that not make it illegal to park in the provided bays with zig zag lines in front of them?
It would depend on what signage there is and whether they are covered by a TRO. Even if, as you are suggesting, those spaces are unlawful, that doesn't help your case
Re: PCN by ZIG ZAG lines on Verge (Zig Zags boundary)
Also if you view the picture in my last post does that not make it illegal to park in the provided bays with zig zag lines in front of them?
..........whole width of the road up to the boundary of the adjacent properties
Technically those provided bays would more than likely be part of the properties pictured, so they would be legaly allowed to park there, but, looking at the picture, bottom right, your going to be pushed to prove this doesn't come within the area of the zig-zag lines - unless you can prove that that was the boundry of any adjacent property.
Have you tried posting on the pepidoo forum, the people on there may be able to shed more light on the subject.
Re: PCN by ZIG ZAG lines on Verge (Zig Zags boundary)
Just got this from pepidoo site
The zig zags only mark the controlled area (between the zig zags) the bay in which you where parked is controlled by the yellow line. There is nothing in the TRSGD that says the zig zags must follow the kerb line, its only the area between them that is controlled which is why you can technically park on the footway (unless its prohibited) and not get a pcn for zig zag parking.
Do a search on there for zig zag lines and see what you come up with.
PCN by ZIG ZAG lines on Verge (Zig Zags boundary)
while parked on a verge off the road by Zig Zag lines. PCN states 99 Stopped on a pedestrian crossing or crossing area markd by zigzags (99).
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