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    Default Two PCN's For The Same Offence....Help?

    i have received two pcnicon's for two seperate days

    01J Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours

    I was on a motorcycle and i parked on a yellow line during loading hours on two seperate days to collect takeaway.

    £200 for the same offence is something i cannot afford to pay so i was wondering if i could argue the fact i was only picking up an order i had placed


    I have jus read this quote

    “No person shall cause or permit any vehicle to wait during the prescribed hours in any
    restricted street except.......for so long as may be necessary for delivering or collecting goods or
    loading or unloading the vehicle at premises adjacent to the street”

    And both days i was parked there i was collecting goods (pizza meal deal) for myself and another person.

    The first day i even had the carrier bag containg both pizza meals on the handle of my motor cycle because i had forgotten my bag, whilst on the 2nd day i had a backpack


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    Default Re: Two PCN's For The Same Offence....Help?

    I suspect collecting pizzas would be classed as "shopping" and not loading as per the parking exception. Shopping and loading are recognised as seperate functions when it comes to parking restrictions and would not therefore allow you to park where not allowed.


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    Default Re: Two PCN's For The Same Offence....Help?

    The goods also need to be carried by the vehicle if they are in a carrier bag held by you or in a backpack what vehicle have you actually loaded??


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    Default Re: Two PCN's For The Same Offence....Help?

    g&m he was on a motorcycle.......not exactly classed as loading is it. Message to OP, pay up


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    Default Re: Two PCN's For The Same Offence....Help?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chesterexpress View Post
    g&m he was on a motorcycle.......not exactly classed as loading is it. Message to OP, pay up
    You could legally load a motorcycle if it had a top box or panniers for example but the vehicle must be used for the carriage of the goods not a person carrying goods. (there has been adjudication on this)


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    Default Re: Two PCN's For The Same Offence....Help?

    Looks like a couple of very expensive pizzas, as a carrier bag certainly won't qualify.


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    Default Re: Two PCN's For The Same Offence....Help?

    well the carrier bag was placed on the handle bars and some items placed in the compartment at the back

    i find this so stupid because i could have just ridden a bicycle there and done the exact same thing yet nothing would have happened


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    Not a fan of Council PCNs because of the maladministration I keep seeing but - be fair mate - yeah you could have ridden a bicycle there - why didn't you? One pcnicon, legitimatley issued as far as i can see and then you do it again the next day?

    Realistic advice? As Chester said above, pay.
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    Default Re: Two PCN's For The Same Offence....Help?

    because i obviously do not have a bicycle

    also you say i do it again like i knew the first pcnicon had been issued, do u think i would get a PCN, then do the same thing again

    im just gonna go with, they do not have the right name as the registered owner


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    Quote Originally Posted by mcgrime View Post
    i have received two pcnicon's for two seperate days

    01J Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours


    Are you saying now that these were postal PCNs? Did you say that at any point before. Sorry if i missed it?

    Name issue? Have you mentioned that either? Did i miss that too.

    No one here has a crystal ball mate.
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    Default Re: Two PCN's For The Same Offence....Help?

    i would have thought you knew they were postal PCNs from the time i said "i have received two pcnicon's for two seperate days"

    The name issue however is not major issue because it has been addressed to my mom but i am the registered keeper and owner of the bike


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    If you check a few other threads you will possibly see that I quite like the idea of overturning PCNs issued in dubious circumstances or through non-compliant, illegal paperwork.
    In your situation i also have to be honest. As I said, i agree with 'Chester', pay it, you have no case AFAICS.

    Maybe something in the name now though? How did it get addressed to your mum. How exactly addressed? Initial as well?
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    Default Re: Two PCN's For The Same Offence....Help?

    her full name, surname spelt wrong

    didnt acknowledge me as the owner of the bike

    but we live at the same address


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    Have to be honest, i actually don't know if this is of any value? It sounds possible though. How could this have happened? Has she ever been the RK?
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    Default Re: Two PCN's For The Same Offence....Help?

    nope, never


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    OK, out of my depth on that one but I still think it may have some value.

    I'll probably get shot for this but i really don't care. I recommend you seek advice on that via the 'PePiPoo' forum. google 'fightback forums' and it comes up top of the list. there is a far better base of knowledge there and they will probably know the relevance.

    be prepared, they will want the full story and to see the PCNs.
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    Default Re: Two PCN's For The Same Offence....Help?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ting View Post
    Are you saying now that these were postal PCNs? Did you say that at any point before. Sorry if i missed it?
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    It would be hard to issue an 01j ticket without it being by post!


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    Default Re: Two PCN's For The Same Offence....Help?

    Quote Originally Posted by mcgrime View Post
    her full name, surname spelt wrong

    didnt acknowledge me as the owner of the bike

    but we live at the same address
    She can appeal that she is not the owner but the Council can then re-issue the pcnicon.



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