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I've just received pcn when parked in a council car park. The ticket sates the reason as "86 Parked beyond the bay markings". There are signs in the car park stating "park in marked bays only".
I was parked at the end of a row of cars, but the markings in the car park are quite worn except for a small L shaped section of about 4 inches long each way marking the corner of the ajacent bay on the left. There are no markings on the right hand side of where I was parked, just a gap between my car and a wall, leading to pedestrian access to the car park, which I had not blocked. At the other end of the row of cars, there is an area marked with yellow cross-haching and the words "No parking" in yellow. I was present when the civil enforcement officer issued the ticket; he told me there were plans to renew the parking bay markings, and also mark where I had parked with simialr yellow cross hatching.
Am I likely to have grounds to appeal on the basis that the markings were incorrect/worn? Do the regulations for parking bays on the highway apply for public car park (and if not, does the offcence code 86 only apply to the public highway)?
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Leeds are notorious for their markings. They've even been reported to the police earlier this year for fraud in relation to on-street markings.
Google 'Neil Herron' for info on Leeds parking issues in general.
I can't recall any document compliance issues with Leeds off hand but always worth showing me the pcn (all) and I'll check it for you.
Otherwise your angle at the moment is the poor markings. Wierd statement by the CEO - how can he enforce on the basis that it is going to be a restricted spot when they get around to marking?
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Re: Parking "beyond bay markings" in council car park
Originally Posted by Ting
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Otherwise your angle at the moment is the poor markings. Wierd statement by the CEO - how can he enforce on the basis that it is going to be a restricted spot when they get around to marking?
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The CEO said it was going to get yellow hatching ie make it a restricted area, which is NOT the contravention he issued for. The 'beyond the bay' contravention is at the lower £ rate 'parked in a restricted area' is at the higher.
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I understand that but he seems to be saying he may not have been parked beyond the bay markings since they were difficult to define. Without seeing pics I have to take his word.
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Yeah, TRO is relevant. Available via your Town Hall - or viewable wherever they direct you to. They could also send you an electronic copy - don't be fobbed off by them especially any demand for a fee - you are entitled to it.
Be prepared for some long bedtime reading though! lol. Don't be fazed when you see it, just take a step at a time and it will start to make sense. Somewhere between 10-20 pages but I have seen one recently - 1560 pages!!!!!
Not tried looking at your docs cos don't know that site. Any chance you could host them on 'tinypic'?
Seems an unhelpful rule on this forum to not be able to post pics at first -documents are the first thing we need to see in relation to parking issues!
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Re: Parking "beyond bay markings" in council car park
Thanks - going to contact them with appeal today, so wil lrequest that. At work now, so won't get chance to put the pictures elsewhere until this evening - the site they are on is personal webspace provided by Apple so should be fine to view there - I'v never used it for anyhting else so that's all that's there for now.
Re: Parking "beyond bay markings" in council car park
There appears to be a footpath where you parked.Do you think a wheelchair, or mother pushing a pram can get past your car to the footpath, or from the footpath to the car park?
Re: Parking "beyond bay markings" in council car park
Originally Posted by electron99
There appears to be a footpath where you parked.Do you think a wheelchair, or mother pushing a pram can get past your car to the footpath, or from the footpath to the car park?
electron, don't be silly, inconsiderate drivers don't care about where they park or what the consequences of their actions cause to others. It is all about me me me with all of them.
Re: Parking "beyond bay markings" in council car park
Originally Posted by js1966
but the markings in the car park are quite worn except for a small L shaped section of about 4 inches long each way marking the corner of the ajacent bay on the left.
Parking "beyond bay markings" in council car park
when parked in a council car park. The ticket sates the reason as "86 Parked beyond the bay markings". There are signs in the car park stating "park in marked bays only".
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