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Hi just wanted a little advice really...

 

For the last 4 years I have had problems with my local council, they charge me stupid amounts of Business Rates each year and I complained...

 

YEAR 1 - £50 a month (I was happy with this and I paid)

YEAR 2 - £112 a month (Came as a shock and couldn’t Afford it - ended up with some arrears)

YEAR 3 - £171 a month (I nearly fell off my chair)

YEAR 4 - £39 a month (now I’m happy again)

 

 

BASICLY - my council were taking the PlSS... I couldn’t understand the increases in the amounts... I run a small Karate club in the community and just manage to break even... its more of a hobby and I love helping the kids...

 

I filled in 3 Appeal forms which they managed to lose... so I posted the 4th one recorded and for some reason the got that one.... that was sent in the second year 2005 they finally came to see me in Feb 2007. The woman agreed that it seems unfair but that was the increase...

She said she would do all she can back in the office to make me fall into a new category for 2008 so that I get an automatic rates reduction... She managed to get it down to the £80 a month mark which entitled me to a further 50% reduction... I was so happy, but still had arrears...

 

So now I’m happy, they never ever contacted me over my arrears... so I just happily got on with my business. I could easily afford the new rate so I set up the direct debit... checked my internet backing and it was set up and LIVE... one month later I receive a Court Summons... for failing to pay.... this is for my current year.. No letter from the council no warning... I fell back off my chair as I knew that I had set up the direct debit... I called them and they said that I had cancelled the direct debit.... I contacted my bank and they sent me a 3 cover letter providing full evidence that the direct debit is still live always has been and that the council has made no attempt to take the money... I sent a copy of these letters to my council and had no reply I also took them to the court with me... the court refused to look at them saying that that is between myself and the bank to discuss... I felt out numbered and I knew where I stood.... they put £80 on top and forced me to pay the full amount....

 

So I lost but had to accept it... I’m now paying it off and last week I go to my place of work and I have 1 letter stuck to my door, in a used envelop with my personal details in it, threatening removal of goods due to the old arrears... anyone could have read it... I don’t have a letterbox at my club, all letters should be sent to my home address, my council tax letters are sent to my hone, and in fact, the letter stuck to the door had my home address on it, but they chose to stick it on my business door... my opening times are on the door, but I have had no visit from the bailiff in person... they have also been around to my home address because they are threatening to take my care.. a silver 3 door corsa, which makes me laugh as I live with my parents and that’s my mums car... so they have been around my house, haven’t knocked took details and then stuck two more letters on the door of my club for anyone to take... when they could have easily posted them at my home address...

Do you think they are scared of meeting me in person as I am a martial arts instructor and I might just kick their ass...? (Trust me I will)

Luckily I have received these letters, but as far as they know someone else could have stole them off the door... I haven’t made contact and I’m playing a blind eye, I’m going to tell them I have receive nothing... they are aggressive letters and one is dated TODAY as in the English language... I think that is sarcastic... the other is a walking possession order, which I must sign, but haven’t so that don’t stand.... what should I do... I have just written a letter to the council offering to clear the arrears. Now waiting on a response...

Thank you for reading.

SPINSTER

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Hi just wanted a little advice really...

 

For the last 4 years I have had problems with my local council, they charge me stupid amounts of Business Rates each year and I complained...

 

YEAR 1 - £50 a month (I was happy with this and I paid)

YEAR 2 - £112 a month (Came as a shock and couldn’t Afford it - ended up with some arrears)

YEAR 3 - £171 a month (I nearly fell off my chair)

YEAR 4 - £39 a month (now I’m happy again)

 

 

BASICLY - my council were taking the PlSS... I couldn’t understand the increases in the amounts... I run a small Karate club in the community and just manage to break even... its more of a hobby and I love helping the kids...

 

I filled in 3 Appeal forms which they managed to lose... so I posted the 4th one recorded and for some reason the got that one.... that was sent in the second year 2005 they finally came to see me in Feb 2007. The woman agreed that it seems unfair but that was the increase...

She said she would do all she can back in the office to make me fall into a new category for 2008 so that I get an automatic rates reduction... She managed to get it down to the £80 a month mark which entitled me to a further 50% reduction... I was so happy, but still had arrears...

 

So now I’m happy, they never ever contacted me over my arrears... so I just happily got on with my business. I could easily afford the new rate so I set up the direct debit... checked my internet backing and it was set up and LIVE... one month later I receive a Court Summons... for failing to pay.... this is for my current year.. No letter from the council no warning... I fell back off my chair as I knew that I had set up the direct debit... I called them and they said that I had cancelled the direct debit.... I contacted my bank and they sent me a 3 cover letter providing full evidence that the direct debit is still live always has been and that the council has made no attempt to take the money... I sent a copy of these letters to my council and had no reply I also took them to the court with me... the court refused to look at them saying that that is between myself and the bank to discuss... I felt out numbered and I knew where I stood.... they put £80 on top and forced me to pay the full amount....

 

So I lost but had to accept it... I’m now paying it off and last week I go to my place of work and I have 1 letter stuck to my door, in a used envelop with my personal details in it, threatening removal of goods due to the old arrears... anyone could have read it... I don’t have a letterbox at my club, all letters should be sent to my home address, my council tax letters are sent to my hone, and in fact, the letter stuck to the door had my home address on it, but they chose to stick it on my business door... my opening times are on the door, but I have had no visit from the bailiff in person... they have also been around to my home address because they are threatening to take my care.. a silver 3 door corsa, which makes me laugh as I live with my parents and that’s my mums car... so they have been around my house, haven’t knocked took details and then stuck two more letters on the door of my club for anyone to take... when they could have easily posted them at my home address...

Do you think they are scared of meeting me in person as I am a martial arts instructor and I might just kick their ass...? (Trust me I will)

Luckily I have received these letters, but as far as they know someone else could have stole them off the door... I haven’t made contact and I’m playing a blind eye, I’m going to tell them I have receive nothing... they are aggressive letters and one is dated TODAY as in the English language... I think that is sarcastic... the other is a walking possession order, which I must sign, but haven’t so that don’t stand.... what should I do... I have just written a letter to the council offering to clear the arrears. Now waiting on a response...

Thank you for reading.

SPINSTER

 

Councils do not like to contact anyone about arrears, they want people to default so they can add their exhorbitant charge on to those arrears.

Did you know that the councils in England made a total of £200,000,000 in charges in 2007, so they are hardly likely to to give you a chance to pay up before a court appearance.

 

The courts could not look at anything in a liability case, they are not allowed to, this case was just to establish liability, the councils then have the power to send in bailiffs or deduct payments direct from your wages or even get you sent to prison.

 

You do not 'have' to sign a walking possession order, they are hoping you do as it will make the bailiffs lot easier.

 

There really is no way around this, so don't delay in settling the arrears, they always have the upper hand and if you can frustrate the bailiffs from collecting, they will just go back to the court for a custodial order.

 

There is also a new tactic that a lot of councils are taking now and that is to make you bankrupt, (1,000 by Manchester in the first 3 months of this year). It achieves nothing except to punish you.

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I understand you 100% and i know that you are right...

 

But i also know that the law is corrupt and one sided, they have a law of their own and i dont like that. i have got the money.. i have more than enough to clear it. the thing is with me i am stubern and i will not go without aa fight even if i know im gunna lose...

 

i will always fall down fighting, cus eaither way im falling down...

 

i dont want to pay the bailiffs, im just holding out and my plan is to get a letter off the council refusing to take my cleared payment, the when the debt gets passed back to the council and they contact me i will offer to clear straight away, if they say its too late i will argue the fact that i have offered previously and that they refused in writing... i may get to clear it that way or they may still get away with it, but at least i tried. and when i got to those pearly gates of heaven i will be let in, unlike these ppl who think its fun to inflict pain uppon the helpless...

 

i left school and started my business at the age of 17 took me a year to legally own a busines account and now im 23, most of my friend that left school with me are already dead through drugs and other crime, yet the law hates me...

 

 

WE NEED A REVOLUTION...

 

And with the great power of the internet, i really dont think thats to far away....

 

:D

 

Regards,

SPINSTER

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Have you ever seen the film 'V for Vendetta', insead of the masks, we could all dress up as ninjas and show the council and bailiffs what we can do lol!

 

I work for a council, and I REALLY hate the council tax lot, I'll join the V gang with you :D

PLEASE DONATE ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN

 

 

A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.

George Bernard Shaw

 

 

 

 

Go on, click me scales (if I have helped) :grin:

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Have you ever seen the film 'V for Vendetta', insead of the masks, we could all dress up as ninjas and show the council and bailiffs what we can do lol!

 

I work for a council, and I REALLY hate the council tax lot, I'll join the V gang with you :D

 

 

It would be fun to do a Poll to see how many ppl would stand united...

 

...::: THE V GANG - CURRENT MEMBERS: 2 :::...

...::: But Remember Their Was Only 3 Muskiteers :::...

 

HeHe :lol:

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I bet most of Britain would join at the moment :D

PLEASE DONATE ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN

 

 

A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.

George Bernard Shaw

 

 

 

 

Go on, click me scales (if I have helped) :grin:

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Since councils usually put business rates in the individuals name,it covers you under the Data Protection Act.

I had similar problems and sent them a S.A.R - (Subject Access Request).I was able to find all their cock ups in there and threatened them with the local Government Ombudsman.Strangely enough my account was "Re-adjusted" ........

 

Its much more of a pain when they get a liability order since unlike private individuals-you cant keep the front door of a business closed-especially if its a shop.

 

More disturbing is the scenario for arrears involving commercial rent-If I am not mistaken the landlord can instruct the Baliff to break in and take your stock without even having to get a warrant.

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All my letters from the council and the ones from the baliff are addressed to my Business Name, so does that mean that i am not covered by the Data Protection Act?

 

I am vey annoid that all 3 letters have been stuck to my door, and when i have got their they have been been oppede and read by other ppl :confused:

 

What benefit will a SAR be in my situation? and how much will it cost?

 

 

PS. Recieved a reply letter from the Council today. they state that the arrears were passed on to the Baliffs in December 2007 i had no knowledge of that and 1. the council never informed me of this and 2. its took the bailiffs 8 months before they contact me.

 

I read on another site that the council have to inform you before they pass on the arrears to a bailiff and that they must do so in writing 14 days prior to passing on the arrears, is this true?

 

 

Regards,

 

SPINSTER :?:

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Sorry for the late reply.

 

The council do have to inform you. They will probably say that they did and now they've been to court, they don't have to prove that the issued the letters to you.

 

Just a thought, but if you run a club for the benefit of the community (especialy kids) the Council have the power to grant you discretionary relief on your rates. The reduction you are already getting will be the mandatory relief which you are entitled to, but ask them for discretionary as well. You may end up paying noting (except arrears of course, but you caould ask for the releif to be backdated!!)

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