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BAILIFFS - The Law and Your Rights

Written by John Kruse, one of the leading experts on Bailiff Law, this consumer friendly guide is essential reading for anyone who comes into contact with a bailiff.

The book is easy to understand and clearly explains the rights a bailiff has, and also what they cannot do when collecting debts and repossessing goods etc.

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    Default Bailiff action over PCN

    Hi , First time on here and am hoping one of you can help me with a bit of a problem i am having with a pcnicon issued by Shrewsbury & Atcham Borough Council, which is being enforced by Newlyn.

    The PCN was issued on 24/9/07 for loading / unloading on double yellow lines, the vehicle in question was a Fiat Doblo van that was sign written, and had a note in the window saying where i was etc. I work as a Mobile Service Engineer, and have to cart around some quite heavy equipment. sometimes i have to 'park' to load / unload in places that are restricted - however i have always sought a TW to get the ok if i am going to be a while at my service call.

    The service call is a 12 monthly call, and previous times i have been i have parked in the same location as this time, with permission from the Police TW, and he told me that next time i neednt ask. so long as i pop a note on saying where i was, so anyone that needed me to move could come and find me (Where i was was causing no obstruction to anyone). Anyway it turns out that a few months before i got the PCN the council had taken over and decriminalised parking offences.

    Now comes the tricky part.

    ill list what happened in date order.

    14/5/06 Bailiff Letter inc Warrant of Execution
    Bailiff letter claims amount due is £646.33 + associated costs
    Warrant also says £646.33 + costs
    Now at this point this is the first letter received, No visits etc.

    11/6/08 Bailiff Letter - Removal Notice amount still = £646.33 (strange)

    18/6/08 PCN Paid Direct to Council - Receipt obtained for £95
    Council asked to withdraw bailiff action due to my wifes mental state. (on a previous bailff visit when the bailiffsicon obtained entry, she took an overdose of her prescription medication)

    25/6/08 Bailiff Letter - Notice of Seizure amount now £444.22 but still claiming the PCN hasnt been paid (very strange now) letter also says that if they come to collect my car the fee will go up to £935.95 lol

    2/7/08 Letter from council - Ackonwledging the PCN is now paid - and refusing to withdraw the outstanding warrant

    7/7/08 Bailiff Note through door (1st Visit afaik as this is the only time they left anything, but bailiff claimed they had been 3 times in total now - suspect phantom visits! as one of the dates he said was before they had even contacted me to say they had a warrant) amount now due £349.22 (weird)

    01/08/08 Bailiff Letter - Final Notice £349.22 and another copy of the warrant HOWEVER this one was different. the amount due now said £95 + costs. the amount due is the only thing that is different, the rest is the same, the issue date and time of the warrant etc. (smells fishy now)

    Now i have had a quick look at the law regarding the amounts that bailiffsicon can charge for recovery of a PCN, listed under :-

    The Enforcemnet of Road Traffic Debts (Certificated bailiffsicon) Regulations 2003

    which states that Preparing and Sending a letter advising the debtor that a warrant is with the bailiff and requesting the total sum due is £11.20

    it also states that for attending to levy distress but where the levy is not made, the reasonable costs and charges for attending to levy. The costs and charges are not to exceed the fees and charges which would have been due if the distress had been levied. The charges for a levy of £95 falls below the £100 limit for the fixed £28 levy fee.

    it also states that the costs for attending to levy must not exceed the total costs and charges allowed for three attendances.

    (I got some advice form National Debtline, but they are only limited in what they can do)

    So now i leave it up to you guys and await a reply from someone who can hopefully help me out.

    Edit: Forgot to mention that the vehicle is required for me to continue working as a mobile service engineer, as the distance i cover would prevent me using alternative transport (around 300 - 400 miles per day)

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    Default Re: Bailiff action over PCN

    You need to file a out of time with tec :
    http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/c...cationPack.pdf

    You need to click the above link and download the form and lodge a late stat dec with the traffic enforcement center. This will suspend all bailifficon action. This form can be witnessed free at your local county courticon. Once you recieve a reply from tec update and we will see what needs doing.

    I hate bailiffs. Let me know if you have had a problem with them. I am sure i could upset them.

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    Default Re: Bailiff action over PCN

    Just had a reply to my request for a Breakdownicon of charges. no dates are mentioned on the alleged visits so still sounds dodgy

    a quick breakdown of what the claim i owe for (directly copied from the letter)

    Council Debt: £95
    First Letter : £11.20
    Visit Fees : £181.00
    Enforcement Fees : £105 (what are these? as they are not listed under the regulations)
    VAT : £55.02 (I'm absolutely certain that its illegal for them to charge me VAT, especially as they have added the VAT ontop of the original debt, then deducted £95 after they worked out the Total)

    Total Balance : £444.22
    Paid : £95
    Balance Outstanding £349.22

    and quoted direct from the letter also

    "We would like to confirm that all fees have been raised and applied correctly in accordance with Enforcement of Road Traffic Debts (certificatedicon bailiffsicon) (amendmenticon) Regulations 2003."


    Also can any help me through the process of filling in an out of time Stat Dec as im not sure what to put on it. please . ty


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    Default Re: Bailiff action over PCN

    Did you recieve a nto ? A notice to owner ?

    I hate bailiffs. Let me know if you have had a problem with them. I am sure i could upset them.

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    Default Re: Bailiff action over PCN

    Not that i can remember, If i did it would be in with my stack of paperwork regarding this matter


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    Default Re: Bailiff action over PCN

    In that case you would need to tick the first box on the pe3 and put further information on the pe2 as why you have filed out of time. To get it witnessed you must take it to your local county courticon. Then email or fax a copy to tec and post the original.

    I hate bailiffs. Let me know if you have had a problem with them. I am sure i could upset them.


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