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    Default legality of private company or council

    Hi All,
    This is my 1st post, hope it gets a good response.
    Can anyone tell me if the contravention code should be legally the same if the ticket has been given by a council attendant or by a private company ?.My ticket says contravention code 05 not displaying a valid disabled badge. I have looked on the net for these codes & this should have a code 40 or 87 not 05.

    05 = overstaying you time.
    I am also being asked for £80, as i understand it this should be £70. They also got the colour of my car wrong, they say it is blue but in fact it is a silver green colour.
    The car was parked at a retail park in Wigan. Ticket issued on behalf of the land owner.

    I know i should not have been in a disabled bay but all other bays were full. 30% of the bays have been given over to disabled bays. 80% of these were empty.

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    Default Re: legality of private company or council

    anything written on a PPC ticket has nothing at all to do with real parking tickets. they are a trick to try to get money of you that they have no entitlement to. Read the stickies.
    Ignore the codes on PPC tickets - and the rest of the ticket.


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    Default Re: legality of private company or council

    Are you saying a ppc has no right to issue a parking ticketicon ?



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    There is no legal basis for issuing any type of "penalty" or "fine" for parking on privately owned land. That's the law, and the PPC's rely on our ignorance of that fact to get away with what they do.

    The PPC's will do their utmost to persuade you that what you are receiving is a legally enforceable parking ticketicon, (often by the unlawful tactic of mimicking legally backed documents issued by local authorities and councils). In reality, the best that they can be construed as is an "invitation to pay". In other words, they are an invoice for a breach of a contract allegedly entered into by the driver when leaving his/her car on private property. (I emphasise the word driver, because a PPC will always tell you the registered keeper is liable. Again they try and mimic the road traffic act and persuade people that their tickets are issued under the same legislation. Again this is a lie and unlawful to do.)

    However, in issuing this invoice, the PPC's often commit other unlawful acts by invoicing you for more than they are rightfully allowed to under consumer law. They do this knowingly, and in the hope that their threats of courts, debt collectorsicon, bayliffs etc (also unlawful) will persuade you to pay up rather than challenge them as to the legalities of their actions.

    Those that do challenge the PPC's, either passively by ignoring them completely, or agressively by inviting them to go to court/reporting to trading standards etc, normally find the action successful in that they never have to part with a penny.

    MBNA - Agreed to refund £970 in full without conditions. Cheque received Sat 5th Aug.
    Lloyds - Settled for an undisclosed sum.

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    Default Re: legality of private company or council

    Read the stickies.


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    Default Re: legality of private company or council

    Can anyone confirm or otherwise that a parking ticketicon issued in a black and yellow bag is only legal for on road offences.
    Thanks for all responses so far.


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    Default Re: legality of private company or council

    Quote Originally Posted by harvey1234 View Post
    Can anyone confirm or otherwise that a parking ticket issued in a black and yellow bag is only legal for on road offences.
    Thanks for all responses so far.
    The use of a black and yellow envelope by the PPCs i, once again, to make it appear to be a lawful pcnicon issued to you. It is not!

    Also I believe the use of the statement "It is an OFFENCE for any person other than the driver to remove this notice" (which I am sure would be written on your envelope) pretty much screws the PPC if they ever considered going to court with it.


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    Default Re: legality of private company or council

    Quote Originally Posted by crem View Post
    The use of a black and yellow envelope by the PPCs i, once again, to make it appear to be a lawful pcnicon issued to you. It is not!

    Also I believe the use of the statement "It is an OFFENCE for any person other than the driver to remove this notice" (which I am sure would be written on your envelope) pretty much screws the PPC if they ever considered going to court with it.
    IMO one law they definitely break with this one are the Administration of Justice Act 1970 S40.

    "Section 40 of the act provides that a person commits an offence if, with the object of coercing another person to pay money claimed from the other as a debt due under contract, he or she:

    utters a document falsely represented by him to have some official character or purporting to have some official character which he knows it has not."

    You could also look at the Fraud Act.

    I'm not sure whether the Malicious Communications Act would be relevant as well.

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    Default Re: legality of private company or council

    These are all well known tricks of the private parking company.

    Many of them are an offence under the 2006 Fraud Act. The problem is that the police aren't interested and the DVLA are happy to sell your address to anyone it seems, just to make a quick £2.50



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