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    Default Shift allowance overpayment

    I was moved from a backshift where i received a shift allowance onto a day shift. I informed my manager i was still receiving the allowance every month who advised me she would have it sorted. It is now 11 months down the line and i was informed my employer want to reclaim half of the allowance back. My dept head had previously said that i would not need to pay anything back as it was their error!
    Where do i stand?
    Do i have to pay this back even though i was honest throughout?
    Any advice is very much appreciated!

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    Overpayments of wages often occur. It is a common misconception that if the employee was honest, the employer cannot recover any overpayments. This is not true.

    I spotted this excellent answer to an overpayments query on another thread, and have to say it is a concise and accurate summary of the position, and may prove to be of some help to you.

    Whilst the Employment Rights Act gives an employee protection against unlawful deductions or non-payment of wages, the same Act also gives an employer an absolute right to recover salary overpayments at whatever rate they see fit. The ERA exempts overpayments of wages and there are no rules to dictate appropriate rates of repayment. Whilst good practice would suggest that significant overpayments should involve a discussion with the employee about a suitable repayment planicon, this is by no means a rule.


    The fact that the overpaymenticon has occurred over a period of time and that you queried it may stand you in some stead to argue for a repayment plan, but you will need professional advice to confirm this. There is a defence of estoppelicon which may apply, but for this defence to be valid, the case has to satisfy certain conditions:-
    • the employer must generally have made a representation of fact which led the defendant employee to believe that he was entitled to treat the money as his own
    • the employee must have, in good faith and without notice of the claim, consequently changed their position (eg spent the money)
    • the employee must be innocent of fault in causing the overpayment
    • the court must be satisfied that it would, on the facts of the individual case, be inequitable to order repayment
    It might also be argued that for the employer to withold all salary until the overpayment has been rectified would be grossly unfair, and it may also constitute a breach of trust on the part of the employer which could give rise to a claim for constructive dismissalicon - however this would serve little purpose in terms of compensation.

    Certainly you need to make a written representation to your employer to complain that since the overpayment was as a result of incompetence on their part and that the money has been innocently spent by yourself you consider it unacceptable to withold salary in order to recover the amount. Whilst you are quite prepared to agree a repayment schedule which you can afford, you simply cannot accept that you should now be put into debt as a consequence of their maladministration. There is already some dispute over the exact amount and this almost certainly needs some independant verification, and don't forget that there may also be tax implications - presumably you have paid tax and NI on the overpayment? How will that be accounted for?


    Thanks to sidewinder for the italic text in this post.

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    Default Re: Shift allowance overpayment

    But if they said you can keep the money then estoppelicon comes into play; see:

    Central London Property Trust Ltd v. High Trees House Ltd - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Post by me are intended as a discussion of the issues involved, as these are of general interest to me and others on the forum. Although it is hoped such discussion will be of use to readers, before exposing yourself to risk of loss you should not rely on any principles discussed without confirming the situation with a qualified person.

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    I agree there is a possibility that estoppelicon may apply on the above facts.

    But of course we must remember that this is a shield not a sword and can only act as a defense. Thus, the reality is if the employer, starts recovery proceedings in county courticon, then we will be in the unpleasant position of having to ‘run this defense’ at any eventual trial.

    If the amount owed is in excess of £5000, if less lot let risk for you, then if you lost you would be paying your employer’s legal costs on top. Take professional advice before attempting to run an estoppelicon defense - definitely.

    Thus try n negotiate payment plan fair to allm reminding babylon, that it was his mistake in the first place, I'm a valued EE etc what about X per week until satisfied.

    Gotta be the way to go, if (a) you need the job and (b) you fon't have the resources for protracted legislation

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    Your other option of course is that if the job continues - normal people like sit round a table - agree a amount justo and you pay this in instalemnts

    You know one or my favorite books on Employment Law and a favourite tutur used to swear by thr primniple that often 'common sense' goes a long way in Emp Law and I have to agree.

    Why don't the company, say 'sorry my mistake', we want to back to balance the books (ha), what about x per week until we are quits - x being a reasonable;e amount

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