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    Default how yellow is yellow

    Hi Folks,

    I was recently issued a pcnicon outside my house, the "single yellow" line is actually white as far as I can tell.

    Have I grounds to contest this?

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    Default Re: how yellow is yellow

    p.s. photos are posted at www dot castletown2012 dot co dot uk slash parking

    (apologies, first post so no link allowed!)


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    Quote Originally Posted by UK-Phil View Post
    p.s. photos are posted at www dot castletown2012 dot co dot uk slash parking

    (apologies, first post so no link allowed!)
    yep, not yellow
    lines to me.





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    Default Re: how yellow is yellow

    took the liberty of linking two here hope you dont mind.,

    BTW contravention did not occur


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    Default Re: how yellow is yellow

    Quote Originally Posted by nero12 View Post
    BTW contravention did not occur
    How can you tell if you don't even know what the contravention is?


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    Default Re: how yellow is yellow

    Quote Originally Posted by green_and_mean View Post
    How can you tell if you don't even know what the contravention is?
    I presumed it was for a syl contravention,
    what do you think


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    "pcnicon was issued because the vehicle was parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours"

    yes supposedly a single yellow line. There is a tiny sign on a wall about 30m away, and beyond that distance the line does look vaguely yellowish, but certaintly not anywhere near where I was parked!


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    Quote Originally Posted by nero12 View Post
    I presumed it was for a syl contravention,
    what do you think
    I guessed it was, I was just being awkward...for a change!!


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    Default Re: how yellow is yellow

    Here's what they should look like

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    Default Re: how yellow is yellow

    You can find the colours for yellow lines in the Traffic Signs Manual 5 on page 144.
    The yellow must conform to BS 381C, no 355 Lemon, 309 canary.

    If you Google BS381C it will give you a page of sample colours so you can compare what it should be to whats on the floor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 68904 View Post

    If you Google BS381C it will give you a page of sample colours so you can compare what it should be to whats on the floor.
    I don't think Phil is going to need the page of sample colours to decide that the line in question (as per his photo) is not painted in the approved yellow!


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    Default Re: how yellow is yellow

    Surely if you google and find the colour online the colour chart will reflect the monitor settings not the true colour??


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    Default Re: how yellow is yellow

    Yet again I get slated by our arm chair hereo.
    The man asked what colour yellow.
    So you give him the colour from the book an still you arnt happy.
    Moaning for the sake of it.

    By the way had a look at the signs and lines in Whitby and could not fault them.
    Its good to be good.
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    Default Re: how yellow is yellow

    Quote Originally Posted by 68904 View Post
    You can find the colours for yellow lines in the Traffic Signs Manual 5 on page 144.
    The yellow must conform to BS 381C, no 355 Lemon, 309 canary.

    If you Google BS381C it will give you a page of sample colours so you can compare what it should be to whats on the floor.

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    Don't forget primrose and cream I've put in a lot of primrose markings, it's a much nicer colour that canary.


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    Default Re: how yellow is yellow

    Looking at the photo, I would say that the lines were originally yellow, but have been over-painted white.

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    Default Re: how yellow is yellow

    I Won! This is funny:

    Dear Mr xxxxxxx

    TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT ACT 2004

    Penalty Charge Notice: WYxxxxx13
    Vehicle Registration Number: xxxxxx
    Date of Contravention: 02/07/2008
    Location of Contravention: xxxxxxxxxx

    Thank you for your further email dated 8 July in connection with the above Penalty Charge Notice which issued because the vehicle was parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours i.e it was parked on a single yellow line during its hours of operation 6:30am – 6:30pm.

    In your email you have explained that in your opinion the colour of the line is white and not yellow as demonstrated by the photographs and the fact that a previously painted yellow line can be seen in some portions of the area.

    With regard to the colour of yellow lines within the Borough, Dorset County Council, having deemed that the entire County is an 'environmentally sensitive area', have stated that the colour to be used for all yellow lines and other markings such as taxi ranks and bus stops must now be colour code No 310 – primrose. This is permitted and is in accordance with Paragraph 23..18 (statutory colours) of the Department for Transports' 'Traffic Signs Manual, Chapter 5, Road Markings'.

    For this reason the bright yellow previously used is no longer permitted by the County highways department.

    I have taken the opportunity to visit xxxxxxxxxx to have a look at the line in question. It is because primrose is a light shade of yellow that this line may at first appear to be white, especially when viewed in isolation and under certain light conditions.

    Whilst I believe the line to have been painted in the correct primrose colour originally it may have faded a little so I take your point that it now appears white although if you hold a white card against it, it takes on more of the primrose colour (see attached photograph). I don't think the presence of the old yellow line helps in this instance.

    In the circumstances therefore I am able to confirm that I have accepted your challenge and agree to cancel the Penalty Charge Notice on this occasion.

    Arrangements have been made for the line to be repainted as soon as possible but in the meantime pleased be advised that the parking restriction remains in force and that vehicles should not park there between 6.30am – 6.30pm.


    Yours sincerely

    xxxxxxxxxxxxx


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    Default Re: how yellow is yellow

    Note: This is a statement that ALL BRIGHT YELLOW LINES IN THE COUNTY OF DORSET ARE ILLEGAL!!!


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    Default Re: how yellow is yellow

    Quote Originally Posted by UK-Phil View Post
    Note: This is a statement that ALL BRIGHT YELLOW LINES IN THE COUNTY OF DORSET ARE ILLEGAL!!!
    It actually says the use of bright yellow for yellow lines is no longer permitted


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    Default Re: how yellow is yellow

    what is the exact TSRGD reference they use ? the word "colours" only appears twice in the entire document (i.e. the S.I) and neither case is relevant to their claim.
    Is chapter 5 even published ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by green_and_mean View Post
    It actually says the use of bright yellow for yellow lines is no longer permitted
    so would the new contravention be 'parked on a single primrose line during hours of operation'

    There isnt one is there??



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