Thread: PCN for not clearly displaying permin

Hello,

Apologies in advance if this has been covered in an earlier post, but I am new here and have not had the time to go through all the threads.

I received a pcn because my parking permit was not clearly displayed. I had placed it in the adhesive cover that the council gave me, but the heat of the last few days made it loose and the paper slipped slightly. You could still see half of it from the outside, i.e. the name of the council, the vehicle registration and the expiry date, but one would not see the permit number and the zone. I received a £120 fine for this.

Can I challenge it somehow? On what grounds? Doesn't the PDA that the parking attendants have tell them whether a car is indeed permited to park there, when they insert the registration number?

Many thanks for any responses.

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see
"The Joint Report of the Parking Adjudicators for England and Wales 2006 National Parking Adjudication Service "

One more question. Where are the levels of the fines set? Isn't £120 pounds a bit too much? If the local authority insist that they cannot show discretion and drop the pcn, at least can I ask for it to be reduced as I will produce a valid parking permit (which cost me £99 in the first place)?

Originally Posted by lamma

see
"The Joint Report of the Parking Adjudicators for England and Wales 2006 National Parking Adjudication Service "

Where can I find it? If you are familiar with it can you guide me which section/paragraph to read for?

many thanks

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Lamma, what exactly am I looking for in the joint report?

I am about to file an appeal for the ticket. Should I do it on the grounds that the adhesive cover that the council provided me was not fit for purpose? Or should I obtain an apologetic tone and ask for discretion on the grounds that I have a valid permit and became dislodged accidentally?

My other point is that half of the permit was visible, including the vehicle reg no and the expiry date. Shouldn't the parking attendant have checked it? End of the day, don't they check with their PDAs to ensure that the permits are not fraudulent?

Finally, I read in some other posts that the TMA2004/RTA1991 provides for discretion on behalf of the enforcing authorities and that if they don't show it they have to give a good reason why. Can you please point me to the relevant sections?

Many thanks in advance for your help

that report carries comment and cases for non-stick sticky tickets/permits. much quotable stuff of use to you in there.

Originally Posted by lamma

that report carries comment and cases for non-stick sticky tickets/permits. much quotable stuff of use to you in there.

......................... ................. (name and address of local authority)

......................... .................

......................... .................

......................... .................


......................... ................. (Date)

pcn No: ......................... ..................

Date of Issue: ......................... ........................

Vehicle Registration Number: ......................... ...............



Dear Sir / Madam,

With regard to the above Penalty Charge Notice.

Please find a copy of a valid permit/ pay and display ticket/ for the bay/area as described.

It appears that I inadvertently miss placed the permit/forgot to place the
permit on my dashboard/ it fell into the foot well of my car. The attendant could not see the pay
and display ticket on my dash board (include pay and display ticket as apropriate)

I believe that under the road traffic act 1991/tma 2004 provision has been made
for ………………………….. (name of authority) to exercise discretion when a
situation occurs as described above when a valid permit /Pay and display ticket
has subsequently been produced.

As I have indeed produced a valid permit, /pay and dispaly ticket/would you please consider doing so in this instance.


If you claim that you are not able to exercise discretion then I would appreciate an explanation.

Please treat this as my informal appeal with the relevant discount.

I look forward to your response.

I would be grateful if you could acknowledge receipt of this communication in accordance
with your guidelines on responding to communications from members of the public.


Yours sincerely,



………………………… your name.


Send this with details of your permit

delete as aplicable.

post what happens

[QUOTE=nero12;1579842]
Sorry, I fear that will fail.

I would send as follows:

Dear Sir / Madam,

With regard to the above Penalty Charge Notice.

Please find a copy of a valid permit/ pay and display ticket/ for the bay/area as described.

When I left my vehicle the permit was correctly displayed using the adhesive holder supplied by you. It appears possible that for reasons beyond my control the permit holder cam unstuck, slipped and became partially obscured. I do not accept that this constitutes the contravention alleged

I believe that under the road traffic act 1991/tma 2004 provision has been made
for ………………………….. (name of authority) to consider exercising discretion when a
situation occurs as described above particularly when a valid permit /Pay and display ticket
has subsequently been produced.

As I have indeed produced a valid permit, /pay and display ticket/would you please consider doing so in this instance.

If you claim that you are not able to exercise discretion then I would appreciate an explanation and a copy of your discretion policy in these matters.

Please treat this as my informal appeal with the relevant discount.

I look forward to your response.

I would be grateful if you could acknowledge receipt of this communication in accordance
with your guidelines on responding to communications from members of the public.


Yours sincerely,

I think that, to be honest, this will also fail. Additional ammo will be needed at formal stage and by then the discount will have gone.

http://www.manchester.gov.uk/downloa...eport_2006.pdf

search for
stick

Originally Posted by lamma

http://www.manchester.gov.uk/downloa...eport_2006.pdf

search for
stick

found the stick , bookmark!!

anways bernie mate this has worked a few times now but tweak and add to , it all helps