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Hi, I got this and took a look at the video of it on the camden website, it shows me stopped by the side of the road with my hazards on, then me driving off, then it pans back to show that the cross junction just beforehand, one of the ways says 'ahead only' on the road.
i am a part time DJ, and had a gig in london, and was driving home, it was 3:42am.
I am very unfamiliar with driving through london, so I used my friend's satellite navigation, this was playing up and updating slow, and caused me to get lost, I panicked and pulled over, I then drove on as i felt it was the only option (but I dont remember ever taking a wrong direction, cant remember which way I had come from)...
I know it's wrong to blame a sat nav, but it was a genuine mistake, as I am rubbish at driving through London.
I know it's a long-shot, but is it worth appealing? what sort of thing should I say?
Thanks so much for any help / advice anyone could give
also... the videos and pictures just show me pulled over with my hazards on, then driving along a road... then it pans back to show the crossing that was before me, it never shows evidence of which direction I had come from?? maybe I didn't even come from that direction? (I genuinely can't remember, as I was lost at the time, and in a bit of a panic lol)
I need to write my letter today, but my mind has gone blank..
at the time, I had no idea of taking a wrong direction, netiher did any of my 3 passengers, I definately did not do any dangerous driving that night, especially as it was 3.40am..
I just find it frustrating, I don't know what to write , or if it's even worth trying to defend.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt the job of the Police to "police" the roads? As it stands, it appears in my eyes that this comes under the NIP system, ( failing to conform to a road traffic sign ) I believe a Police officer is the only person who can issue an NIP ( notice of intended prosecution ) not some pen pushing clerk in county hall? Dont councils only cover parking, bus lanes and box junctions? Seems to me big brother gone mad eh??
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt the job of the Police to "police" the roads? As it stands, it appears in my eyes that this comes under the NIP system, ( failing to conform to a road traffic sign ) I believe a Police officer is the only person who can issue an NIP ( notice of intended prosecution ) not some pen pushing clerk in county hall? Dont councils only cover parking, bus lanes and box junctions? Seems to me big brother gone mad eh??
Whilst I agree entirely with your premise, councils have been doing this for a long while in London. I remember an advertising campaign on the back of London buses some time ago along the line of 'we now have the power to fine you etc. etc' with a number of road signs featured (turns, one ways etc.) and I remember thinking the big brother line myself.
The problem with that as I see it is that the council cannot issue an NIP, under the RTA failing to conform to a road sign requires the issue of an NIP by a police officer within 14days of the alleged offence being committed? I also believe, ( correct me if I'm wrong ) that the amendments made to the RTA decriminalising parking was so that councils could fine for parking offences, NOT for a moving traffic offence which requires to be dealt with by the Police?
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I am no expert on the rules of the RTA, but morally and ethically, I totally agree with you. There must have been legislation allowing pcn's to be issued for these contraventions and that is what they issued, not a NIP. It is totally wrong IMHO.
Sorry Foamo, thats not helping you much. I can only assume you were already facing the wrong way according to the video you saw. I know Great Russel Street well (I am a taxi driver) and certain parts of it are one-way only. I don't see any issue with writing and explaining what happened, but my personal experiences show that 'mistakes' are not generally accepted as reasons to quash the pcn. Best of luck.
Foamo I have good news and bad. The bad is that these signs were included in the traffic sign regs 2003 along with box junctions and no entry signs. They allow councils to enforce. the good news is the following. The camera operator has to watch cctv in real time. They cannot look later on and issue fpn. Also you are allowed to view the footage at the council premises. So looking at the time on the fpn there has to be a 24 hour operator watching the cameras. Lastly look on website for the london pats appeals and see the success rate. So if you want to appeal write to council saying you wish to see footage and confirm who oprator is. If you still maintain you did not commit offence go to the tribunal.
As you see, it just shows where i had pulled over with my hazards on, then pans back to show where I had come from, I am going the right way, as a bus follows me going the same direction?
Foamo, I have had a look at your video. It does not actually show you making the right turn but I assume the still photos do. If I am correct you turned into Bloomsbury Street from the Tottenham Court Road side of Great Russell Street and it is in fact ahead only except for buses (it says it on the traffic light) which explains why a bus followed you. If the stills do not show you making the turn, I would most certainly appeal on the grounds of no evidence.
I have watched the video as well. I have to say that it is unclear to say the least. Surely the stills are a print from the footage, in which case there will be no pictures of you turning right. It all seems a bit unclear. I would ask to see evidence of a contravention of the sign in question.
I have studied the google map and I am familiar with the area as well. If it was me I would want to see some evidence of my vehicle in Great Russell st. All I have seen is your car in bloomsbury way and later on in the footage a junction with ahead only on the road. If they have footage then the still should be produced. As the other replies ask we need to know what the pictures show. However I am in agreement with the other recent posts that without strong evidence it might be worth an appeal imho. let us know how you get on
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