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Hi have had CCA request returned from BC today , have looked at others
on this site and cant be sure , would some kind soul help as i am out of my depth here .
It clearly says BC Application ,the card was taken out 10 years ago and
they have sent me the original BC Conditions cca 1974
plus current BC Conditions 1974.
Hi and thanks for your reply im afraid i dont know how to do that ive just looked im dummies but cant figure it out , will have to wait until tomorrow
when i can get someone to do it for me
many thanks
M1
hiya M1 PLG. Well it looks like you are probably in the same boat as me. The agreement copy is VERY bad. Furthermore they have obstructed the CCA part of the 'application' with a barcode sticker. I would contest that this agreement is NOT enforceable. Of course they could always find the original 'if it exists' and use that, but I expect the chances of that are reduced.
Hi YHS4260 thanks for your reply , still dont know if the cca is enforcable
it does say application as does yours and is unreadable as you say , but need to know really so i can make my next move SAR i think ?
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This is unenforceable as it contains none of the prescribed terms. The prescribed terms are in the terms and conditions which is a seperate document. While before 2005 the prescribed terms did not have to be on the same page as the signature they still had to be part of the same document.
Hi Rory , very many thanks for your time and advice what to do next ?
do i send a letter to BC saying this is unenforcable ?
shall i send a SAR for charges to help get the debt lowered .
what im looking for is for them to call the hounds off (mercers and Power2Contact)
feel really honoured to have yours and slicks help
Are there unlawful penalties charged on the a/c. You can reclaim these to reduce the debt to BC so you can clear it in a manner and time that suits you.
They cannot add further chgs or interest to the debt until/unless they produce a proper CCA doc't.
Do you have state's for the a/c to check on the chgs. If not you can send them an SAR.
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I have moved five times in the last ten years and dont have all the statements , im getting the SAR ready now.
what do i do about the cca do i write to BC to say send the Real one
as this does not comply?
DO i write to the hounds say bog off !
Carefully adapt the following letter to reflect your own case. Send it to BC and copy to any DCA's that are hounding you.
Account In Dispute
Ref:
Dear Sir/Madam
Thank you for your letter of xx/xx/xx.
You have failed to respond properly to my legal request to supply me a true copy of the original Consumer Credit Agreement for the above account.
On the **DATE** I wrote to you requesting a copy of the credit agreement and other information under the Consumer Credit Act 1974 (Sections 77-79).
These documents I requested should be readily available as proof of your legal right to collect this account under the Consumer Credit Act 1974.
In my letter of the **DATE** I made a formal request for a copy of the signed, executed credit agreement for the above account under section 77(1) of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. In addition a full statement of this account should have been sent to me detailing all debits and credits to the account.
Furthermore, you are aware that the Consumer Credit Act allows 12 working days for a request for a true copy of a credit agreement to be carried out before you enter into a default situation.
If that request is not satisfied after a further 30 calendar days you commit a summary criminal offence.
These limits have expired.
As you are no doubt aware section 77(6) states:
If the creditor fails to comply with Subsection (1)
(a) He is not entitled , while the default continues, to enforce the agreement.
And
(b) If the default continues for one month he commits an offence.
Therefore this account has become unenforceable at law.
You have failed to comply with a lawful request for a true, signed copy of the said agreement and other relevant documents mentioned in it, failed to send a full statement of the account and failed to provide any of the documentation requested.
Consequentially any legal action you pursue will be averred as both UNLAWFUL and VEXATIOUS.
Furthermore I shall counterclaim that any such action constitutes unlawful harassment.
Please note you may also consider this letter as a statutory notice under section 10 of the Data Protection Act to cease processing any data in relation to this account with immediate effect.
This means you must remove all information regarding this account from your own internal records and from my records with any credit reference agencies.
Should you refuse to comply, you must within 21 days provide me with a detailed breakdown of your reasoning behind continuing to process my data.
It is not sufficient to simply state that you have a ‘legal right’. You must outline your reasoning in this matter and state upon which legislation this reasoning depends.
Should you not respond within 14 days I expect that this means you agree to remove all such data.
Furthermore you should be aware that a creditor is not permitted to take ANY
Action against an account whilst it remains in dispute.
The lack of a credit agreement is a very clear dispute and as such the following applies.
* You may not demand any payment on the account, nor am I obliged to offer any payment to you.
* You may not add further interest or any charges to the account.
* You may not pass the account to a third party.
* You may not register any information in respect of the account with any credit reference agency.
* You may not issue a default notice related to the account.
I reserve the right to report your actions to any such regulatory authorities as I see fit.
You have 14 days from receiving this letter to contact me with your intentions to resolve this matter which is now a formal complaint.
Despite my letter regarding ANY communication from your company, which stated that I require ALL communications in writing, your telephone calls continue.
This behaviour constitutes harassment; the letters stated quite clearly to you that I require ALL communications in writing for future use. Do not telephone me again - remove any telephone numbers you hold for me from your systems.
Your telephone calls are in breach of the Office of Fair Trading guidelines. If you continue with them after the receipt of this letter an official complaint, together with a log recording the times and frequency of the calls will be passed both to that office and to the Trading Standards office. For your information note that ALL telephone calls are taped.
This type of debt collection method is contrary to the ‘Administration of Justice Act 1970’ in that it is intended to cause alarm and distress to the recipient. Your methods will not be tolerated. A formal complaint, containing copies of all correspondence including yours, has now been submitted to the relevant authorities. This will be relevant to questions of your fitness to hold a licence under the Consumer Credit Act, whether or not it results in a prosecution.
Take further note that continued telephone calls after the receipt of a request not to call may constitute a criminal offence under Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003.
Communicate in writing and ONLY in writing, your telephone calls will NOT be answered.
HOWEVER, CALLS WILL TRIGGER COMPLAINTS TO THE REGULATORY BODIES.
I would appreciate your due diligence in this matter.
Any help and advice is offered in good faith, based solely on my own knowledge and on experience gathered from this site. I am not qualified to offer legal or financial advice, which you should seek from an expert before making any important decisions. My opinions are therefore offered without liability.
Thanks Slick
not quite sure about which parts to put its late my heads in a spin!
do i have to put why it does not comply ?
or is it not a True signed copy do i have to spell it out to them
soz if im being thick here
cheers M1
You still need to adapt it to reflect your own case, ie:-
* Check the bit about dates and amend if they are still within the 12 or 12+30 days.
* Alter or omit bits about phone harassment.
The bottom line is they've failed, so far, to produce an enforceable copy of your Credit Agreement and should not be chasing you for pay't, nor should any DCA.
If you're going to send SAR for a/c state's, do so seperately and get the balance on the a/c reduced.
Any help and advice is offered in good faith, based solely on my own knowledge and on experience gathered from this site. I am not qualified to offer legal or financial advice, which you should seek from an expert before making any important decisions. My opinions are therefore offered without liability.
Hi Slick
will get on this asap ,they have another three days to go for the 12day
am sending SAR today already done .
if i can will post letter up before sending tomorrow.
really appreciate your valued advice , should have six other CCA,s in
this week !!!!!
have done the letter and amended where i think its nes hope to upload tomorrow .
will be sending asap , have sent SAR today SD added to it bank acc and
loan numbers so should get a large parcel in return !!!!!
Have had more than enough today me eyes have gone