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    Default In Court 18 April 2008 - advice needed urgently

    LTSB obtained the usual Stay Order back in January

    I then wrote to the Court and asked to have the Stay Order lifted due to the behaviour of the Defendant - LTSB had continued to pile on the charges and issued an Enforcement Notice under Section 76(1) of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 demanding payment of £900 which is a lesser amount than the amount I am claiming. I also applied to have Schedule 2 to my claim amended to include the charges added after I issued proceedings.

    I have received a Skeleton Argument from SC&M (see my post http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...ml#post1471549 )

    Should I respond with my own Skeleton Argument?

    I have a reason for not sending a Skeleton and that is I don't think the Stay Order is up for discussion at the Court hearing. My reasoning is LTSB applied for the Stay, it was granted, I wrote to the Court and it was lifted. LTSB would have to apply for a new Stay Order (which I do not believe they have done) for it to be open for discussion. Am I right?

    Second question - what grounds have I got for opposing a fresh Stay Order assuming it is up for discussion in Court on Friday?

    There is all the usual stuff available on this site but should I use the following arguments too:
    1. issue by LTSB of Enforcement Notice contrary to OFT debt collectionicon guidelines
    2. breaking of Banking Codeicon by LTSB
    3. addition of interesticon to account whilst in dispute
    Are these strong arguments?

    Are any of the above actions by LTSB actually illegal? If so, what is the reason/argument for them being illegal?

    All help gratefully received

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    Default Re: In Court 18 April 2008 - advice needed urgently

    Sorry RTWman that i can't advise. I realise that you are in court tomorrow, but if you need any urgent advice in future and your thread isn;t answered within a reasonable amount of time, then hit the red triangle and you can send a message to the moderators.

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    Default Re: In Court 18 April 2008 - advice needed urgently

    thanks Hopeful1 - I think the answer is the Consumer Credit Act which I found by accident. Fingers crossed for tomorrow!


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    Default Re: In Court 18 April 2008 - advice needed urgently

    hi,

    sorry to be nosey but i just wondered how things went in court?


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    Default Re: In Court 18 April 2008 - advice needed urgently

    Hi Iozzzy

    What I believed had happened in my case was that ltsbicon had been granted a stay but that the judge lifted the stay after he read my letter telling him how naughty LTSB had been:

    The Defendant may seek to rely upon a ‘waiver’ obtained from the OFT and apply to have this claim adjourned pending the outcome of another case. However, the Defendant has chosen to issue an Enforcement Notice under Section 76(1) of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 demanding payment of £x which is a lesser amount than the amount I am claiming in this matter (a copy of the Notice is attached hereto). Should the Defendant make such an Application and in view of the Defendant’s conduct, which is contrary to both the terms and the spirit of the ‘waiver’, I would be grateful if you would lay this letter and the Notice before the Judge and respectfully request that this matter proceed immediately to trial

    Whilst I was correct, LTSB's counsel then made a verbal application for a stay (did not know they could do this so was not as fully prepared as I should have been). The Court dismissedicon my skeleton arguement not to allow a stay (the skeleton is the one available on the Forum)- seen it all before, senior judge (District Judge) had looked at the points and refuted them.

    I can post more details if you need them but that is about it.

    What MIGHT have persuaded the judge was to labour the point that if the action were not stayed then LTSB would settle out of Court and thus save the Court's time, etc.
    The judge did not know what had been disclosed in the OFT case (nothing is my guess but I do not know that for a fact so don't quote me), LTSB's counsel kept quiet (probably knew but kept quiet as it wouldn't help LTSB case) and I was not up to speed with OFT case. Had my guess been correct that nothing was disclosed in the OFT case then there was a good case for NOT staying my case and forcing LTSB into disclosure (and thus out-of-court settlement). With the benefit of hindsight, I should have asked the judge to order disclosure and then allow LTSB to apply for stay after full disclosure.

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    Default Re: In Court 18 April 2008 - advice needed urgently

    Checkmate, in other words: Your case against them is stayed, and now their case against you is stayed.

    Ah well... That bloody stay has got to work in our favour once in a while.

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