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Hi, Just wondering if there's any advice relating to parking on a private road. Having driven around a busy area in Birmingham looking for somewhere to pull over for a few minutes, my daughter parked her car on the corner of a private road. She had her baby with her and needed to make a pop into a company opposite the private road. She was away from the car for no more than 5-minutes. When she got back she had been issued with a parking charge notice from A.S Securi-T, requesting payment within 14 days of £70.50, there was no option to pay sooner to reduce the fee. Having read the comments posted on this site I have advised her not to pay. I am curious as to whether these private parking companies can set whatever figure they want, is there a limit? The amount requested seems to be disproportionately high compared to tickets issued by traffic wardens.... Any ideas, suggestions.
Can you say where in Birmingham your daughter parked, was there any signage infroming members of the public about restrictions.
Read around the forums I am sure I will be advised if I am wrong, but a pcn can only be issued on council owned car parks and public roads.
Tell your daughter to wait to see if she recieves an invoice, then she must advise them to contact the driver, and not her the registered keeper.
There are template letters she could use.
Hi, Just wondering if there's any advice relating to parking on a private road. Having driven around a busy area in Birmingham looking for somewhere to pull over for a few minutes, my daughter parked her car on the corner of a private road. She had her baby with her and needed to make a pop into a company opposite the private road. She was away from the car for no more than 5-minutes. When she got back she had been issued with a parking charge notice from A.S Securi-T, requesting payment within 14 days of £70.50, there was no option to pay sooner to reduce the fee. Having read the comments posted on this site I have advised her not to pay. I am curious as to whether these private parking companies can set whatever figure they want, is there a limit? The amount requested seems to be disproportionately high compared to tickets issued by traffic wardens.... Any ideas, suggestions.
The actual Penalty Charge levels on Penalty Charge Notices are set in legislation.
The tickets issued by PPCs are actually invoices claiming damages for a breach of contract which is an entirely different thing.
They can claim whatever figure they want - however what a court will actually allow and award is something entirely different. They can only claim for actual damages and the sums claimed usually bear no relationship to the damage caused. It's worth noting that the higher the charge the greater the chance that a court will rule it as a penalty charge and thus render it unenforcable.
None of this is actually true although A.S. Securi-T have flown a few kites by issuing County Court papers, they have never actually turned up at court once a proper defence has been filed.
A.S. Securit-T do not employ debt collectors. Instead, they use different notepaper, headed "Inland Recovery" which is actually just a different trading name for A.S. Securi-T. Brain dead or what?
The main thing is to stand firm, don't give in to these bullies. Feel free to come back for reassurance whenever the need is felt.
thanks so much for all the advice and support. The road my daughter was parked on the corner of is a little grove called Aston Manor (off Aston Lane), in Perry Barr, Birmingham. There are signs clearly displayed on the road, I have taken a little recky down there and the houses on the road look to be council properties, so not sure how the private road thing works.
I will however stand my ground on this, and will act on my daughter's behalf as she's too nervous to challenge it. I was going to send a letter to A.S. Securi-T, but after reading the other threads think its better to wait until a demand lands on the mat.
I'm on my 4th letter to AS Securi-T now - well Inland Recovery is the 4th letter and the fine has gone up from £70 to £174. I'm beginning to quite enjoy it! and yes, they're threatening to come to my house!
I'm on my 4th letter to AS Securi-T now - well Inland Recovery is the 4th letter and the fine has gone up from £70 to £174. I'm beginning to quite enjoy it! and yes, they're threatening to come to my house!
I know I've posted this before but examine the "Inland Recovery" letter closely. The contents give the impression that "Inland Recovery" is a separate entity but you will discover in the small print that "Inland Recovery is a trading name for AS Securi-T.
"Inland Recovery" is a little too close to "Inland Revenue" for my liking. There are grounds for confusion, could anyone say whether this is actionable?
Yes, when I replied I did say "I note that Inland Recovery is a trading name of AS Securi-t so I assume I am dealing with the same company."
I agree that the font and the logo and th ename Inland Recovery are similar to the Inland Revenue - all part of the intimidatory plan. I suppose one would have to get on to the Inland Revenue's Communication Dept and see what they think?
OK guys, I've done the template letters confirming I am the keeper with the final cease and desist. Now AS Securi-T have written to substantiate their claim. They outlined the reasons for the fine which are:
1. Failing to comply with rules governing parking on this site 2. Warning signs around which clearly state rules 3. AS Securi-T have a contract from the landowner to monitor the site. 4. You are not permitted to go elsewhere before or after visiting the provider's premises.
Your appeal is unsuccessful and you should send £174 by 24th April. If you don't, the file will be transferred to the collections dept.
Attached is a photo of your car at the site with the ticket attached.
So, my question is, do I write back and say I am the registered keeper and your contract is with the driver of the vehicle. Or should I just ignore this letter and wait to be summonsed to court?
OK guys, I've done the template letters confirming I am the keeper with the final cease and desist. Now AS Securi-T have written to substantiate their claim. They outlined the reasons for the fine which are:
1. Failing to comply with rules governing parking on this site 2. Warning signs around which clearly state rules 3. AS Securi-T have a contract from the landowner to monitor the site. 4. You are not permitted to go elsewhere before or after visiting the provider's premises.
Your appeal is unsuccessful and you should send £174 by 24th April. If you don't, the file will be transferred to the collections dept.
Attached is a photo of your car at the site with the ticket attached.
So, my question is, do I write back and say I am the registered keeper and your contract is with the driver of the vehicle. Or should I just ignore this letter and wait to be summonsed to court?
You could do either ignore or reply.
They haven't substiantiated how you as the RK are liable for the penalty.
Remember that you have acknowledged being the RK not driver. The onus of proof remains with them.
BTW a fine can only be imposed by a court.
Big deal about the rest including the photo. It shows the vehicle on site with a ticket. Whoop de Fluck. I bet you've a nice one of your vehicle out front of your house. It proves and substantiates nothing. No hint of who the driver was, is there?
This mob are very court shy and seem to melt away if the a decent defense is presented.
I suggest a polite rebuttal using the templates and ignore anything else short of a summons. (Middle finger inserted and swivel).
OK guys, I've done the template letters confirming I am the keeper with the final cease and desist. Now AS Securi-T have written to substantiate their claim. They outlined the reasons for the fine which are:
1. Failing to comply with rules governing parking on this site 2. Warning signs around which clearly state rules 3. AS Securi-T have a contract from the landowner to monitor the site. 4. You are not permitted to go elsewhere before or after visiting the provider's premises.
Your appeal is unsuccessful and you should send £174 by 24th April. If you don't, the file will be transferred to the collections dept.
Attached is a photo of your car at the site with the ticket attached.
So, my question is, do I write back and say I am the registered keeper and your contract is with the driver of the vehicle. Or should I just ignore this letter and wait to be summonsed to court?
You've already received a letter from "Inland Recovery", now AS SECURI-T are threatening you with the "collections department". Who the hell are they then? "Her Majestic Revealing Customs" - shortened to HMRC to seem official?
Since this company are one of the few who fly a kite from time to time by issuing court papers, I think it is just as well to use the template letters.
A.S. Securi-T Ltd, Parking Charge Notice
notice from A.S Securi-T, requesting payment within 14 days of £70.50, there was no option to pay sooner to reduce the fee. Having read the comments posted on this site I have advised her not to pay. I am curious as to whether these private parking companies can set whatever figure they want, is there a limit? The amount requested seems to be disproportionately high compared to tickets issued by traffic wardens.... Any ideas, suggestions.
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