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Hi

 

i have recieved a parking fine and a treatening letter from a debt collection comapny.

 

The car park in question is a privatly owned NCP. Where my car was allegedly parked without a ticket.

 

I dont remember getting the ticket and would always get a ticket and display it.

 

i recieved a letter from a firm called Rocburge demanding payment. They also have viseted my property.

 

can someone tell me if this letter will work?

 

 

 

WITHOUT PREJUCTICE

 

 

name

ad post code

 

 

REF:1234567

 

 

Dear sir/Madame

 

I have been contacted by your debt collecting agency and call centre run by the threatening and demanding ROXBURGE.

 

The parking ticket you fine you have attempted to levy on me is in dispute.

 

I in no way accept the vehicle was parked illegally if at all the car was parked at the location on the date in question. If it was a valid parking ticket is always purchased and displayed.

 

I therefore ask that you supply your evidence to me in relation to this alleged parking fine.

 

If you cannot supply me with enough evidence to support your claim that the vehicle was parked by me at the location at the specific time, I ask you to cease contact about this matter and instruct your debt collection company to do also.

 

I have already reported to the police your debt collections field agent accessing through a secure door and on private property to bang on my door and demand funds.

 

A log with the police of this has been made with the end view of pressing charges for Harassment and trespass.

 

I have been in contact with the citizen’s advice who has advised me of my rights.

 

Your debt collecting agency has been told to stop contact with me as this issue is in dispute.

 

 

 

 

 

 

WITHOUT PREJUCTICE

 

 

 

Any further contact being made without sending me the evidence of the fine. (Which on private land you have no legal right to impose) I will consider any visit by your debt collection staff to be harassment and trespass, as my property is situated on private land with clear signs telling visitors to report to security (whom have been told specifically that they are not to grant access to this company)

 

I will also be contacting the serious fraud squad to report what I believe to be your company levying fines on random people without evidence and passing there details onto unscrupulous parties in an attempt to harass them into paying an unenforceable fine.

 

 

 

Regards

 

Mr Im not paying your stupid fine!!!!

 

 

 

what do you think?

As the car park is private i dont think they can do anything to me.

 

Is this tactic just used to try to harass me into paying an unenforcable fine?

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I'd write to Roxburghe not NCP. Debt collection agencys are more tightly regulated than Private Parking Companies. I must admit it is very rare for DCAs to visit and hound people for private parking tickets as they are known to be virtually unenforceable.

 

Write to RoxBurghe as follows:

 

Re: Your letter dated [dd/mmmm/yyyy] Reference[#]

 

This alleged debt is in dispute. I have written to your principal on a number of occasions and they have failed to substantiate their claim.

 

In the circumstances please refer this matter back to your client.

 

Any further correspondence from you in relation to this matter may result in a complaint to the authorities under the Protection From Harassment Act 1997.

 

Yours faithfully

 

[Taken from Bernie's template letters - see sticky at top of forum]

 

If you've not already written to NCP then don't admit to being the driver.

 

Read up the following on private parking companies. These "fines" are a [problem]. They have no basis in law.

 

DO NOT PAY!

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/119802-private-parking-tickets-template.html

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/65341-private-parking-companies-charges.html

 

If you want to go on the offensive, log Roxburghe's bahaviour in a complaint to your local trading standards office. You should be able to get the email address here:

 

Trading Standards Central - Trading Standards and Consumer Protection information for the UK

 

Oh, and you could complain to this lot too.

 

welcome to the csa group - x

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Some [not all] train station car parks are governed by the railway bylaws. I don't know the situation re: London Underground but I suspect they have bylaws too.

 

However I don't think this is the case here as the route would have gone Fixed Penalty Notice then Magistrates Court not as this case NCP "notice" then Roxburghe acting as Debt Collector. I'm 99% sure this is just a standard PPC BS [problem]

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Some [not all] train station car parks are governed by the railway bylaws. I don't know the situation re: London Underground but I suspect they have bylaws too.

 

However I don't think this is the case here as the route would have gone Fixed Penalty Notice then Magistrates Court not as this case NCP "notice" then Roxburghe acting as Debt Collector. I'm 99% sure this is just a standard PPC BS [problem]

 

Dead right. If the carpark in question was subject of byelaws then you would have received an OFFICIAL FPN, followed by a summons for non-payment of the Fixed Penalty Notice to the Magistrate's Court.

 

You can write to NCP if you want to to try and get this resolved. State that your are only the registered keeper and cannot be certain as to who was driving the car at the time, and they must direct their collection at the driver of the vehicle.

Roxburghe have no powers to take you to court, and may consider your writing to them to be an admission, despite stating that you do not acknowledge the debt. NCP have to prove that the RK was the person driving the vehicle at the time, and without your input, cannot do so. IMHO the best bet would be to ignore the letter from Roxburge, as it is of little importance, and probably just for show. They will know they have no chance of recovery through legal means, and are just trying their usual scare tactics.

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Roxburghe have a very good success rate in court, as one of Britain's most successful debt collection agencies.

 

You can either pay them now, or pay after they take you to court.

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Go on then Robin, tell us their sucsess rate - point us towards some figures.

 

I smell a PPC troll.

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I smell a PPC troll.

 

I rather think you do :)

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Roxburghe have a very good success rate in court, as one of Britain's most successful debt collection agencies.

 

You can either pay them now, or pay after they take you to court.

 

I'm not totally against debt collectors. They do have their place. Some people will not acknowledge their obligations without a big old push. I do object however, to unlawful collection of debts. Some of these companies play fast and loose with the OFT code of conduct for debt collection.

 

Debt collectors simply should not take on debts which they are not prepared to go to court with. This is the case with virtually all PPC "debt". NCP, Euro Car Parks, CEL, UKPC, in fact all the big players, use debt collectors. When it comes to it, they all shy away from court action because they know they would lose

 

I'm with others on this, show us all these acclaimed Roxburghe PPC court successes.

 

Are there any? - didn't think so!

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Roxburghe have a very good success rate in court, as one of Britain's most successful debt collection agencies.

 

You can either pay them now, or pay after they take you to court.

 

Funnily enough, i can't see this to be true either. Especially since I've been running them ragged for nearly two years for a debt that I refuse to pay on principle, despite the fact that they DO have a valid credit agreement.

 

More bloody trolls in here than in a library full of Billy goat gruff books.

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More bloody trolls in here than in a library full of Billy goat gruff books.

Time to get your gun and go troll hunting.....lol

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As I am aware these days PCN's (Penalty Charge Notices) are issued to the person listed on the V5s.They also normally arrive together with an image of the vehicle concerned on the letter, well for moving, bus lane, box junction and Congestion Charging anyhow. A vehicle parked in a Car Park and I did not see the location (or might have missed it in the thread(?) if owned by a local council or seems in this case London Underground(?) means that the issuer will probably be that public body. You'll see the Terms and Conditions posted at the respective locations. Most public bodies have outside management companies to operate on their behalf as in the case of NCP.

I'd suggest you ask them for proof initially. DCA's tend to only get involved (like council tax etc) when the person sent the initial PCN('s) does not reply or contend or pay it. I'm surprised in your case the vehicle was not clamped as it's always contended station parks are for (paying) travellers and that's why you see local streets with heavily enforced parking regulation to stop people parking on them.

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As I am aware these days PCN's (Penalty Charge Notices) are issued to the person listed on the V5s.

From what the OP has said and nothing from the DCA has indicated otherwise, this is not a PCN or a FPN issued under the byelaws or any DPE scheme. It has all the hallmarks of a civil parking ticket or more correctly invoice that has been referred to a DCA.

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From what the OP has said and nothing from the DCA has indicated otherwise, this is not a PCN or a FPN issued under the byelaws or any DPE scheme. It has all the hallmarks of a civil parking ticket or more correctly invoice that has been referred to a DCA.

 

Agreed, a fake "PCN" mimics a real one. It is a bit like comparing a wasp and a hoverfly. They look similar, but one has a sting whereas the other just buzzes around a bit in an irritating way.

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I have had parking tickets from all over London ,York, Blackpool and never paid one .Challenge any pcn in the St Kathrines court Northhampton I did with the 1689 bill of rights asking the County court Judge what juristiction he had because of the 1689 bill of rights and he said to go back to the Council and see them I had 47 local ones and they never came for the money

Advice was from Neil Herron

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