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    • Yep, I agree with what you are saying, I only mentioned the governing body code of practice as a nod to the fact that I wasn't dismissing the BPA or whoever out of hand, thought that would go in my favour before a judge. I wrote a long post about the BPA CoP earlier but then deleted it because I realised I wasn't talking about points of law but a set of guidelines drawn up by one bunch of charlatans for another bunch of charlatans. It is ludicrous that the 5 minute consideration period doesn't apply if the motorist parks, such nonsense. As for legislation, I was referring to the government legislation (if it is legislation?) document which has been withdrawn. Does that stand until it has been reintroduced? In the explanatory document it is quite clear. Otherwise, how does one hold them to the consideration and grace periods? Or is that at the discretion of the judge?
    • Thank you all   JK, I agree; if they were to accept my full claim today, then the interest would be around 8-9 pounds. If I were them, I would have offered to pay the interest and said no to the 12 pounds for the letters. These have not been mentioned, which is my mistake.   As you pointed out, if the judge were to award at 4% and I did not get the letters, I would get less.   Bank, thank you. I do hear what you are saying. If I am to continue with this, then I will need to pay an additional trial fee of £59. If I win everything, then great, but if I win less the claim and court fee, then I lose out. I am not sure what the judge will think about the interest. I think we have to remember that I won the item and, therefore, did not pay a penny for it. Yes, I have had to purchase an additional one, but maybe the judge will hold this against me. I am content that this is a win. I have not signed any non-disclosure clauses, and they do not ask for this either in their offer. 
    • Are you saying that both businesses were closed? Yet you stayed there for over two hours. . If both were closed than to charge £100 is a penalty since Horizon had no legitimate interest in keeping spaces clear for the company. sake as there were no customers..
    • Well you would think that would be the case. Sadly i doubt there is one honest broker within the BPA or IPC and most of their members. they are there to take as much money as they can from motorists regardless of PoFA.   Take the Consideration  period for example. This is a minimum of 5 minutes to allow motorists to find a parking space, read the T&Cs giving them enough time to leave the car park without having to pay if they decide not stay. Simple. Well it would be simple if it were any other company than BPA [or IPC who have now fallen into line with BPA's "reasoning"].  You see if you decide to stay then despite the fact that during the Consideration period when you still weren't classed as parking , once you accept the terms [with all the underhand little tricks designed to trip you up] that five minutes is now included in your parking time. [No not the parking period because the poor dears who ANPR cameras are apparently unable to work out what the exact parking period is since their ever so infallible cameras [yeah right] are incapable of tracking cars once they are in a car park]. After 12 years they still haven't worked out a way of doing it. Some of them fudge and the majority [with a wink fro their ATA [Accredited Trade Association though it should be Discredited Trade Association] just ignore the parking period all together. This is what BPA claim is the Consideration period Entrance grace period: This is for when motorists enter a car park, read the signs and/or attempt to make payment then leave. In these instances, motorists must be offered a reasonable amount of time before an operator takes enforcement action, but we do not define this time, due to the variance in size and layout of car parks. An entrance grace period for a small, permit-only car park could be below 5 minutes, whereas for a large multi-story this could be 15. But  heaven forbid that anyone should leave 6 or 7 minutes after entering  their member's car parks. . They are dutybound to receive a PCN. This is regardless of how busy the car park would be [Christmas eve for example ] .Our minimum is their maximum. Moving on to Grace periods. Again BPA gobble degook. Exit grace period: This must be a minimum of 10 minutes and this is when a motorist intends to stay – for example, if you paid for an hour but spent a total of 1 hour 10 minutes on-site, you will not receive a PCN. It is important to note that the grace period is not a free period of parking however and should not be advertised as such. If that ten minutes in not free parking what is it. their members all think they can send out PCNs for anything after 1 minute after the exact time never mind ten minutes. Our snotty letters have stood the test of time. Do not try to reinvent the wheel -especially with DCBL . They don't even know what a non compliant PCN is for goodness sake! You already know more about PoFA then they do. However if you include that they will find a way to disabuse the Judge of your logic and the law. So don't give them the chance.  I am sure you have the Parking Prankster going on about the rogues misusing the rules on planning permission by lying and stating that they had "retrospective permission". There is no such thing in English law yet Judges were swallowing it until one Judge pulled up Parking Eye about one of their Witness Statements alluding to "rp" by claiming it was "tantamount to perjury".  It wasn't tantamount,it was plain and simple perjury. Parking Prankster: The great private car park planning approval scam PARKING-PRANKSTER.BLOGSPOT.COM Guest blog from shuteyepark, from the Consumer Action group forums In December 2013 my daughter received a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) fro... Hope it wasn't too long winded Nicky Boy.🙂
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ok folks iv just joined, i was with rbs for around 5 years and after a year i was hit with numerous charges for being over drawn and having unpaid direct debits returned, so i sent my s.a.r.s letter away today so ill just have to wait for a reply now, but i was wondering if anyone else has noticed this with ther rbs account, e.g iv got a direct debit payment being made for lets just say £40 and iv only got £39.99 in my account, now the £39.99 get taken from my account but i get a letter in a few days later saying the dd payment has not been recived and a i get a charge from rbs for it, but the 39.99 is gone?? iv had this many times from rbs, anyone else had this?? let me know thanks

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What I think it boils down to is these payments disappear from the man in the street's account in the blink of any eye sometimes early. They wander around in cyber space - earning money for your bank. I think its appalling that in this cyber age - we cannot transfer money when we hit "return". The banks can - when it suits THEM. I issued two cheques dated 7th January - they were paid on 28th December! I think RBS have been told by their head offices to [EDIT] take, take, take. It's not that they are protecting us from ourselves - getting into ever more debt - because all they're doing is slamming people into poverty in a sneaky way! [EDIT] I hate RBS too.

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Yes, I'm afraid RBS are one of the worst banks I've ever been with - and thats from someone who used to bank with Intelligent Finance ;)

 

They [EDIT] take from accounts without even blinking an eye. And get this, last summer I closed my account with them, and requested statements at the same time. There was £4 in my account at the time, they charged me £5 for the copy statements and told me the account was now closed. I assumed it was closed - I've had no statements or letters from them since then. Monday this week, I had a call from their collections team to say my account was £275 over drawn - when i asked why this could possibly be the case, they said it was because the account had gone £1 over limit and they had been charging £28 month as a result. I refused to pay, but they then said "thats fine - we'll just register a default in your credit record then". I had to pay up to avoid it happening.

 

Bunch of wicked wicked people.

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I've just been charged a £35.22 "maintenence charge" for exceeding the overdraft limit. Letter in the post tommorow. Apparently, in spite of thehold on cases because of the test case, its good to get letters in to get priority if the OFT win.

 

They [EDIT] take from accounts without even blinking an eye. And get this, last summer I closed my account with them, and requested statements at the same time. There was £4 in my account at the time, they charged me £5 for the copy statements and told me the account was now closed. I assumed it was closed - I've had no statements or letters from them since then. Monday this week, I had a call from their collections team to say my account was £275 over drawn - when i asked why this could possibly be the case, they said it was because the account had gone £1 over limit and they had been charging £28 month as a result. I refused to pay, but they then said "thats fine - we'll just register a default in your credit record then". I had to pay up to avoid it happening.

 

You can prove they told you the account was closed? Because in this case the contract had ended. Request the money back on these grounds and sue if you don't get it. They really don't have a leg to stand on with this sort of behaviour.

 

Note: Not legal advice.

Please note nothing I say constitutes legal advice.

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Yes, I'm afraid RBS are one of the worst banks I've ever been with - and thats from someone who used to bank with Intelligent Finance ;)

 

They [EDIT] take from accounts without even blinking an eye. And get this, last summer I closed my account with them, and requested statements at the same time. There was £4 in my account at the time, they charged me £5 for the copy statements and told me the account was now closed. I assumed it was closed - I've had no statements or letters from them since then. Monday this week, I had a call from their collections team to say my account was £275 over drawn - when i asked why this could possibly be the case, they said it was because the account had gone £1 over limit and they had been charging £28 month as a result. I refused to pay, but they then said "thats fine - we'll just register a default in your credit record then". I had to pay up to avoid it happening.

 

Bunch of wicked wicked people.

 

OMG! Did you get it back? I can honestly say I despise the RBOS.

 

Once, I made a deposit of £70 into my account via cash. Everything went fine and then they rang me later that day to ask me if I had taken the money with me? WTF? They said that they think they gave me the money back with the receipt.

 

Well for starters they put the money in the till before they bother with a receipt. They said they would look at the CCTV and ring me back. I said fine, do it [EDIT]. They later rang me back and didn't even apologize for accusing me of stealing. They just said that they looked at the footage and couldn't see what had happened. (Crap CCTV then...maybe they should point the camera in the right direction). So in this instance they had no choice but to leave the money in my account... I was dumbfounded, I couldn't believe it. But that was at the time when I was a little scared of banks. I know better now.

 

So yes!! RBS are EEEEVVVIIILLLL!!! :-x

 

Anni xx

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That's just another horror story for the RBoS are evil tab Anni!

 

Did I get them back?

 

Well - it's an ongoing case (which you can follow using the link in my first post) so am still going through the motions as it were. I was in the branch yesterday telling them to close my account and asked for something in writing to say it was done. This silly lass said "No, you can't have anything in writing"...

 

What!?!?!?

 

Apparently, even though I had to sign a printed piece of A4 asking them to close the account - they couldn't even give me a copy. When I gestured towards the photocopier behind her and said "Why can't you just copy it and give me one?" she said that all RBoS staff in branches are very restricted in what they can give to customers - A piece of paper from me (with my bloody signature on it!!) is apparently something they can't hand over - not even a copy of it.

 

So, I'm waiting for my 'closing statement' through the post. I already sent them a Prelim in June 2007 and an LBA in August 2007 so once I get that statement i'll be getting my court claim in - including the £275 they took from me, my claim totals about £2600 though I'm none too hopeful that i'll ever see any of it!!

 

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Update.... RBS Telephone Banking Customer Service actually said that I should "fight them all the way - I should NEVER paid charges under these circumstances" and that "this conversation and what he just said is recorded if I needed to use it". I've taken the next step and packaged up all details and correspondence and sent it (with the downloaded cover sheets) to FSA.

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well i got a reply from rbs today, im guessing its just a standard response letter, its all about how they believe there charges are fair transparent and lawful blah blah blah, oh well my LBA will be posted to them tomorrow so hopefully they will refund them after they recive that, :)

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ok got an other letter from rbs, im gathering this is just a common letter, its saying that they will resolve my complaint once the legal proceedings between the office of fair traiding and the banks anre determined,

 

im guessing my next step is court action?,

 

if it is then how do i start going about court action?

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hi balsafas, iv not gone any further with my case as im still baffled, the problemm thats baffling me is the fact that my claim is for almost 2k and iv read that only up to 750pounds can be put through the small cliams proceedings in scotland, so im still really confused

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well since i havent started legal proceddings yet and since there was the big case about bank charges in the media i thought i would try one last thing, i sent them another L.B.A, maybe it wasnt a good idea but then maybe its worth the chance, so im going to give them 10 days then ill start a small claims thing

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