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    Default GE Money - Settlement fees !!! Disgusting

    Hi
    Has anyone dealt with GE Money when settling early?

    I opened a secure loan for £15K over 10 years in June 2006. I am at the minute remortgaging and joining this loan to our new mortgageicon. I have just received the redemption statement and states the foolowing:

    Outstanding account balance as at 15/2/08 £14,710.78
    interesticon to add to settlement date £145.66
    Early settlement fee to add £160.94
    Security Discharge fee to add £200.00

    Sum required to repay on or before 14/3/08 £15,217.38

    How come we have paid over £3500 since June 2006 and we owe £217 more than we borrowed!
    I rang them today and the lady basically just said it was interest and fees and nothing I can do. Said I was given terms when signed, but was not told anything about redemption fees if settle early.
    My current mortgageicon paying nothing to settle early and that was for £100K
    What is going on, any advice?

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    Default Re: GE Money - Settlement fees !!! Disgusting

    Good old GE Money

    We had a mortgageicon with them and when we remortgaged to another firm, we had a redemption fee too. Have a good read through your paperwork and see if you can find anything about it and I'd think about claiming it back once the mortgageicon has gone through.

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    Default Re: GE Money - Settlement fees !!! Disgusting

    yes thats what i intend. take them to cleaners!

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    Default Re: GE Money - Settlement fees !!! Disgusting

    The FSA have clamped down on mortgageicon Exit Administration Fees (MEAF's) on first mortgages (this is the equivalent of the security discharge fee) which may explain why there was less to pay for your main mortgageicon.
    Unfortunately your loan with GE Money is a CCA agreement and doesn't fall within the remit of the FSA. On the plus side you do then have the rights and remedies under the CCA, although I'm not sure they're much use in this scenario.


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    Default Re: GE Money - Settlement fees !!! Disgusting

    so you think i can still claim back

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    Default Re: GE Money - Settlement fees !!! Disgusting

    I'd certainly give it a go, once you're free from them.

    There's a section in here - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...gages-faq.html that gives details about secured loans under and over 25K.

    Hope this helps and good luck

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    Default Re: GE Money - Settlement fees !!! Disgusting

    yes i intend to claim once rid.
    thanks for link

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    Default Re: GE Money - Settlement fees !!! Disgusting

    currently have a secured loan 17k since 2004.asked fo settlement figure in 2006,then it was worked out using 1983 regs.
    balance as at 11/10/06
    add interesticon to that date
    add future charges
    total amount payable before rebate
    less rebate
    add redemption fee
    however asked again feb 08 now worked out using 2004 regs ,redemption fee is now called discharge of security fee £200.also now an early settlement fee £94.86 is asked for.when i queried it with ge ,was told it was on the original agreement to which it definitely is not ,nor an amount that would be payable


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    Default Re: GE Money - Settlement fees !!! Disgusting

    so what have you done or planning to do?

    HALIFAX: PRE 6 year claim 1991-2006 WON 21/3/07 £2616
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    ABBEY - MCOL 2/3/07 £261.37
    HALIFAX VISA - WON default removal 19/3/07
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    CABOT -SAR 26/2/07
    ROCKWELL -OFFER 20/2/07
    GMAC -MCOL 7/2/07 £189.85
    WESTCOT - SAR 25/2/07

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    Default Re: GE Money - Settlement fees !!! Disgusting

    at the mo drawing up a POCicon to take ge to court on misselling a PPIicon. .not in a position to settle my loan at present.i am interested in finding out how ge decide on these fees ,as i cannot find the info on the cca and compare mine to yours and the change over 2 years


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    Default Re: GE Money - Settlement fees !!! Disgusting

    do you think i should do that, get copy of cca as i dont have copy of what i signed to prove these fees werent explained

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    CABOT -SAR 26/2/07
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    WESTCOT - SAR 25/2/07

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    Default Re: GE Money - Settlement fees !!! Disgusting

    yup definetly.i rang and asked where it was stated there would be a charge ,response was on your cca that you signed, i asked for a copy and was sent it .but it is the same as i already have and seem not to be able to find the charge and also the additional new charge of early settlement fee.whether this came about in changeover rules to do with early settlement regs


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    Default Re: GE Money - Settlement fees !!! Disgusting

    Their argument appears to be that you agreed to the fees when you signed the agreement. However, if as you state the fees were not included in the agreement then using their argument they are not enforceable and you have a good case for reclaiming them. Any fees would increase the APR on the loan significantly and so they have mislead you. £200 as a security release fee seems excessive anyway.


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    Default Re: GE Money - Settlement fees !!! Disgusting

    i intend to claim as much back as possible once this loan is paid off next month. i cant wait!
    Just because you have bad credit from years ago, these companies take the biscuit!, (putting it politely)

    HALIFAX: PRE 6 year claim 1991-2006 WON 21/3/07 £2616
    CAPITAL 1 - WON 19/3/07 £800.22
    CAPITAL 1 - WON 19/3/07 £325.75
    AQUA - MCOL 2/3/07 £172.79
    ABBEY - MCOL 2/3/07 £261.37
    HALIFAX VISA - WON default removal 19/3/07
    PARAGON - LBA 11/3/07
    CABOT -SAR 26/2/07
    ROCKWELL -OFFER 20/2/07
    GMAC -MCOL 7/2/07 £189.85
    WESTCOT - SAR 25/2/07

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    Default Re: GE Money - Settlement fees !!! Disgusting

    don,t be put off by the response you may get from ge.keep at them .good luck


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    Default Re: GE Money - Settlement fees !!! Disgusting

    oh i will! i dont give up easy. i won Halifaxicon for claim over 6 yearsicon and they gave up day of hearing!

    HALIFAX: PRE 6 year claim 1991-2006 WON 21/3/07 £2616
    CAPITAL 1 - WON 19/3/07 £800.22
    CAPITAL 1 - WON 19/3/07 £325.75
    AQUA - MCOL 2/3/07 £172.79
    ABBEY - MCOL 2/3/07 £261.37
    HALIFAX VISA - WON default removal 19/3/07
    PARAGON - LBA 11/3/07
    CABOT -SAR 26/2/07
    ROCKWELL -OFFER 20/2/07
    GMAC -MCOL 7/2/07 £189.85
    WESTCOT - SAR 25/2/07

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    Default Re: GE Money - Settlement fees !!! Disgusting

    An alternative to doing the court claim would be ask fosicon to look at it and explain what you want etc.. - because loan is under £25k it will fall into the CCA regs etc.. so FOS can help you with this.

    My CCA skeleton argument to use in court -
    http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...formation.html

    Useful Letters (CCA request is letter N)
    http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...templates.html

    CAG A-Z list of useful places in CAG -
    http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...hat-youre.html

    Introduction to Consumer Litigation -
    http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...er-credit.html
    CABOT THREADS -
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    ALWAYS SEEK A PROFESSIONAL OPINION FROM QUALIFIED ADVISORS - any advice offered is from my own experience and knowledge - I am NOT qualified.

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    Default Re: GE Money - Settlement fees !!! Disgusting

    not sure for me as my agreement was in 2004 ge play on this fact and appear to be above the fosicon knowing that they can,t touch them


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    Default Re: GE Money - Settlement fees !!! Disgusting

    wilkinss208 found this in oft report on non status lending written in 1997 ,might help
    There should be adequate transparency. The contract documentation and any
    customer booklet or leaflet should set out clearly the method of calculation of the
    settlement figure and any redemption charges, and should explain the reasons for
    these together with the nature of the costs which they are intended to cover. They
    should indicate the settlement figure and redemption charges that would apply, on the
    basis of current interesticon rates, at different points in the contract, including after each of
    the first five years of the loan. These details should also be included prominently in
    any documentation sent to the borrower before the conclusion of the loan setting out
    the borrower’s right to withdraw from the agreement. The borrower should be fully
    aware before entering into the agreement of the implications of settling early.
    63 Lenders should provide promptly to the borrower, on request at any time, a clear
    written statement of the settlement figure and redemption charges that would apply at
    any particular point in the contract. They should respond promptly to any reasonable
    request by the borrower for an explanation of the figures or of the basis on which they
    have been calculated and derived.
    http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/rep...t/oft192v2.pdf



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    Default Re: GE Money - Settlement fees !!! Disgusting

    thats a great help, thank you

    HALIFAX: PRE 6 year claim 1991-2006 WON 21/3/07 £2616
    CAPITAL 1 - WON 19/3/07 £800.22
    CAPITAL 1 - WON 19/3/07 £325.75
    AQUA - MCOL 2/3/07 £172.79
    ABBEY - MCOL 2/3/07 £261.37
    HALIFAX VISA - WON default removal 19/3/07
    PARAGON - LBA 11/3/07
    CABOT -SAR 26/2/07
    ROCKWELL -OFFER 20/2/07
    GMAC -MCOL 7/2/07 £189.85
    WESTCOT - SAR 25/2/07


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