Thread: Private Ticketing Company ticket

Thanks for that...i noticed after I posted it there was a specific place where this should have been posted..I refrained from posting again as that would be a second transgression on my part...

sorry!

Chris

This will be interesting - a PPC who issues a warnig notice, saying you have a ticket, but then sends it in the post.

Why pay £2.50 to the DVLA to get owners details, why not try to make them pay at the time of ticketing ??.

OP - please scan the sticker in if you can, and post it up for us to see.

Hi Lassitude,

Do not worry about them, and DO NOT PAY THEM they are [problem]mers,

I have had dealings with them and I used Bernie's templete letters, which you will find in the stickie's at the top of the forum.

If you look under the threads UKPC PARKING FINES in the forum you find the kind of letters that i have received and replied, in my posts.

Do not givein to them, they will eventually go away.

Hi Lassitude
Don't ever admit liability,do what I did when I got ticket from asda, don't pay! I argued that I was not the driver of the vehicle and they should send me the photographic evidence to support their claim, I argued I was in a meetintg at my office, AND GUESS WHAT I GOT THE TICKET QUASHED

Originally Posted by Lassitude

the box that is ticked says Vehicle owner left site.

They can no more know who the vehicle owner is than fly throught the air. Even the DVLA have no idea of who is the owner of a vehicle.

The vehicle owner may not have even been on site to be able to leave it!

Lassitude,

If you choose to write to them then I would suggest using Bernie's templates. They are terse, giving nothing away, just answering a question with a question. You perhaps, are making the mistake of engaging with them, justifying your actions. The truth is you owe them nothing, not even the time of day.

Don't lie to them, as has been suggested, but don't admit to anything either. Don't initiate any correspondence, deny the existence of any contract, deny the existence of any debt. Absolutely no need to say anything more than that.

OK folks I have started my battle with UKPC. The first template letter has been sent to them recorded delivery. I am keeping all correspondence, receipts and recorded delivery tickets in a file, with the full intention of having a bit of a fight on my hands. Hopefully within a few letters they will provide me any evidence they have to prove I was driving, otherwise they can disappear up their own bumholes.

Having read many of the UKPC posts I am fully prepared (I hope) for any crap they throw my way, and if needs be i'll take 'em to court...although I don't think it will go that far.

Thanks for all the help so far...I'll let you know how it goes.

Chris

Good Man - that's the spirit!

Here is the wording:

Dear Sir,

With Reference to the above parking charge Notice. As the registered keeper/owner of the vehicle at the time of the contravention you are responsible for the payment of the parking charge Notice.

There are sufficient signs within this area warning vehicle owners that should they leave their vehicle unattended without permission this will result in a pcn being issued by post.

yours faithfully

PCN Parking Appeals Department


I am going to use the template for the second letter with the relevant paragraphs. Any suggestions as to anything else I could add would be greatly appreciated.

thanks

Chris

Originally Posted by Lassitude

Here is the wording:

Dear Sir,

With Reference to the above parking charge Notice. As the registered keeper/owner of the vehicle at the time of the contravention you are responsible for the payment of the parking charge Notice.

There are sufficient signs within this area warning vehicle owners that should they leave their vehicle unattended without permission this will result in a pcn being issued by post.

yours faithfully

PCN Parking Appeals Department


I am going to use the template for the second letter with the relevant paragraphs. Any suggestions as to anything else I could add would be greatly appreciated.

thanks

Chris

Bernie's templates are pretty thorough.

Just make sure you point that you acknowledge being the RK and nothing else. Also include the paragraph asking them to substantiate their claim about the RK being responsible for the debt.

You don't need to include this but the actual contract law involved states that a third party cannot be made party to a contract without them being made aware of the terms and conditions and agreeing to the said terms.

Remember - Admit nothing - the onus is on them to prove who the driver was, that the driver saw the signs and entered into a contract and that the terms of the contract were fair and that the charges being asked for are not penalty charges. Will they be able to do that? Not very likely.

Originally Posted by Lassitude

Here is the wording:

Dear Sir,

With Reference to the above parking charge Notice. As the registered keeper/owner of the vehicle at the time of the contravention you are responsible for the payment of the parking charge Notice.

There are sufficient signs within this area warning vehicle owners that should they leave their vehicle unattended without permission this will result in a pcn being issued by post.

yours faithfully

PCN Parking Appeals Department


I am going to use the template for the second letter with the relevant paragraphs. Any suggestions as to anything else I could add would be greatly appreciated.

thanks

Chris

You are most of the way there with this. As pin1onu has said, there is no way that the RK is responsible for actions of the driver. The PPC do know this. They are arguably commiting fraud by continuing to act as if the charge is someway official. If you write further asking for Statute and / or judicial precedent for their belief that RK is responsible for private parking charges allegedly incurred by the driver, and you get further BS back, that would be beautiful.

OK I have used a couple of the selectable paragraphs from the second template letter. I will send this to them today. Will keep you posted.

thanks

Chris

I got a reply from UKPC today, this is letter No 3 in two weeks if you include the initial invoice. It does not address any of the issues I raised in my previous two letters and seems to be some bullcrap stock response:

Dear Sir

Thank you for your recent communication concerning the above parking charge notice. Please rest assured that our appeals manager has personally reviewed this case and carefully considered the various points raised. Our view, however, is that these particular circumstances are neither unreasonable nor unjust and so we will not be waiving this parking charge in full.

You will be aware from the parking charge notice that we offer a 50% discount for parking charges paid within 7 days. As you lodged an appeal, we are prepared to extend this period for another 14 days from the date of this letter. But if we do not receive your remittance at the reduced rate by 15th February 2008, the full amount will then become payable and we will put the matter in the hands of our debt recovery agents.

We appreciate that this is not the outcome you will have hoped for. Unless you have any additional information that you have not already brought to our attention, this decision is final. Although further correspondence will be noted and filed, please do not expect any response from us except where you have provided evidence to substantiate your case.

We hope you will take advantage of the extended 50% discount period and send your remittance promptly.

Yours faithfully



pcn Appeals Department

I think it's time for the cease and desist letter. It would seem they have no evidence to prove who was driving. I will send the stock letter unless anybody has a better idea.

thanks

Chris