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    Default Car Hire Charge for Lost Keys

    Hi guys, I could do with some help with this one, please...

    I travel on business every week and, in doing so, rent a car from the same hire company at the airporticon. Just before Christmas I had a car for a few days, which I returned around 5.30am on a Saturday. Somehow, though, in my rush to catch my flighticon I managed to lose the keys and, as there was nobody around at that time in the morning, had to call the rental company to let them know, once I landed in London. I always take full collision damage waiver on the cars I hire, simply because the first couple of times I hired they tried to keep my deposit, blaming me for damage already done to the car before I rented it. Fortunately I had noted the damage and their onsite agent had signed the rental agreement to confirm this, so I got the money back. CDW, they told me, clears me of any liability for damage to the car, reducing any excess to £0.

    Anyway, getting back to the current problem - I called the rental office and reported the keys lost. As I had full insurance I was told not to worry, as I would be covered. However, last week I received an invoice from them, charging me £95 for the lost keys. I contacted reservations and the girl I spoke with checked things out and confirmed that I should not have been charged. She put me through to customer services, but the next girl I spoke to told me a completely different story, saying that the keys were not covered by the insurance and that the £95 charge was standard. Now, I have looked through the CDW policy and have read the terms and conditionsicon of the rental and there is nothing in there to state this charge. After arguing the case with various customer service agents, I asked to be put through to the supervisor. She agreed to do some more investigation and call me back, which she did. She argued that the keys weren't covered as they were considered 'an accessory' to the vehicle. Now, perhaps I'm missing something here, but it's rather tricky to for a car to perform it's intended function in life without a set of keys, so can they really be considered an accessory?!

    Her argument is that, as the keys are considered an accessory, I had a duty of care to look after them. There is a section in the contract about this, but it doesn't really back up her case and, more importantly, another section of the terms states that the maximum liability for loss or damage to "the vehicle or its accessories is limited to the price paid for CDW and the excess payable, where CDW has been purchased."

    Now, I see this as pretty straight forward, in that the terms and conditionsicon state that I am covered, but the hire company don't see it this way, so it looks like I am going to have to fight with them over it. I really can't believe they are being so obtuse over £95, bearing in mind that I spend about £800 a month with them. Has anybody else had to deal with anything like this? I don't really want to have to go down the small claims route with this, but if it comes to it, I will...

    I received a final email from the company on Friday, stating that the CDW did not cover accessories and that that was their final word on the subject. Should I now put my comments in writing and issue an lbaicon? I have asked to speak to somebody more senior, but they are apparently always 'busy', or 'out of the office'. I really don't know where else to go with it. Any advice would be gratefully received.

    I have a copy of the Ts&Cs on my office laptop, along with the email they sent, so will post these tomorrow, but in the meantime, if anybody has any thoughts, I'd like to hear them.

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    Default Re: Car Hire Charge for Lost Keys

    i couldnt possibly say whether you are covered or not, have you tried checking with an Insurance Ombusdman?

    I would perhaps get someone else to ring the company (might be an idea to record the call) and talk about their insurance as a prospective customer and see if they say that the keys are in fact covered.

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    Default Re: Car Hire Charge for Lost Keys

    I did try calling as somebody else, but nobody seemed to know the answer. They took my details and said they would call back about it, but I never heard anything from them. Thanks for the suggestion about the IO. I hadn't thought of that...


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    They are definately not an accessory, they are as essential as the wheels and engine.

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    Default Re: Car Hire Charge for Lost Keys

    Quote Originally Posted by Conniff View Post
    They are definately not an accessory, they are as essential as the wheels and engine.
    I agree. A car will work fine without an accessory......

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    Default Re: Car Hire Charge for Lost Keys

    I work for a car hire company and checked with my boss.

    No company will cover you for lost keys in your CDW as that is purely for damage to the car.

    Some companies will charge you a fixed amount for lost keys, others will charge you the daily hire rate for the car till they can get a new set of keys as they will not hire a car when they only have 1 set.

    If you are a regular customer, their customer services should "treat you nicely" and refund this amount, but they are not under any obligation to do this.

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    Thanks, Ian. Appreciate the comments, but aren't the keys part of the car? Surely they should be covered by the insurance. That's the point of paying such a ridiculous amount for it! Also, this company is trying to argue that the keys are an accessory. If that is the case, they are covered under the terms and conditionsicon. Please see below for the email I received from the team leader, as well as a pdf showing the terms and conditionsicon of the rental. Sorry, this is such a long post. I have highlighted sections 5-7, which they are using to deny the claim, and section 12, which states that loss or damage to the vehicle and its accessories are covered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rental Company

    Dear Mr *****

    Further to our telephone conversation earlier today regarding our charge to you for lost keys. The keys are an accessory to the vehicle and not part of the vehicle itself and therefore not covered under your agreement.

    The MasterCover Plus purchased upon collection of your hire vehicle at *******Airport includes:

    Cover for theft of the vehicle
    A zero excess if the vehicle sustains damage or loss
    Damage to Windscreen and tyres
    Personal Accident Insurance
    Personal belongings coverage

    Please note that loss of keys is not covered under the policy as this is deemed as "duty of care". Please refer to your terms and conditionsicon of rental, paragraphs 5 and 7.

    (See attached file: UK (in English 2).pdf)

    As requested, I have passed your case over to our Escalations Manager who will be contacting you as soon as possible.

    Yours sincerely

    Emma Gibson
    *** Team Leader
    ******* Vehicle Rental UK Limited
    Tel: ++44 (0) 116 *******
    Fax: ++44 (0) 116 *******
    Quote Originally Posted by Terms and Conditions
    In these terms and conditions (a) “the Company” means the Company whose
    details appear on the front of this form (b) “the Customer” means the person, firm or
    organisation by or on behalf of whom vehicles are rented under these Terms and
    Conditions (c) “Authorised Driver” means the driver(s) additional to the Customer
    approved and entered overleaf by the Company. The Customer will ensure that
    any Authorised Driver will comply with these Terms and Conditions (d) “Vehicle”
    means the Vehicle described overleaf (e) “DLW” means Damage Liability Waiver (f)
    “TPI” means Third Party Insurance relating to Third Party motor liability (g)
    “Insurer” means the insurance company with which TPI is arranged.
    1. The Company agrees to rent and the Customer agrees to take the Vehicle on the
    Terms and Conditions as set out herein.
    2. The Customer will pay the Company on demand all charges due hereunder
    including where relevant, sums in respect of DLW, surcharges, additional
    charges and VAT or other taxes thereon.
    3. DLW and TPI are available through the Company. There will be an additional
    charge, subject to the terms of issue, for DLW. There will be no additional
    charge for TPI. The Company will always require a current, full driving licence
    held for at least 12 months prior to rental, and reserves the right to inspect such
    a licence. TPI will not cover loss of or damage to the Vehicle caused by driver
    abuse; nor will DLW apply in these circumstances. Vehicles for which DLW
    and TPI are taken out are rented to the Customer on the condition that the
    Customer complies with their respective terms and conditions. The Insurer will
    not accept liability for loss and damage caused while a vehicle is rented to a
    Customer who does not comply with these terms and conditions; nor will DLW
    apply in these circumstances. The Customer agrees to make any payment
    necessary to put the Company in the same position as it would have been in if
    the breach of the relevant terms and conditions had not occurred. The Customer
    will supply any information concerning the driver(s) of the rented Vehicle to
    the Company upon demand and undertakes to allow the Company direct access
    to the driver(s) of the Vehicle and will fully co-operate in obtaining such
    access. If DLW is not taken out by the Customer, the Customer will be liable
    for the full cost of any damage sustained by the Vehicle. In all cases where
    Customer’s own insurance has not been arranged, TPI is mandatory. For the
    avoidance of doubt Waiver Excess applies not only to damage but also to
    theft of the Vehicle. The Customer will use his best endeavours to supply full
    details of any Third Party Vehicle involved in any accident with the Vehicle.
    4. If the Customer has opted to arrange his own insurance on the Vehicle, the
    cover must be comprehensive. Any excess on the policy is the responsibility
    of the Customer. The Company reserves the right to ask for satisfactory proof
    of the Customer’s own insurance prior to the commencement of rental. The
    Customer is responsible for ensuring the Vehicle is properly insured from the
    time of delivery until 12.00 hours on the first working day following
    termination of the rental and indemnifies the Company against the loss incurred
    or damage to the Vehicle in the event that such cover fails to be effective. If the
    Customer becomes aware of any changes in his insurance cover during the
    period of the rental Company’s Insurance Department (James House, 55 Welford
    Road, Leicester LE2 7AR) must be notified immediately in writing. In the event
    of accident/loss or damage to the Vehicle the Company will undertake repairs or
    select a repairer if applicable and will invoice the Customer for such repairs and
    any associated costs. Such invoice will be subject to payment on demand.
    The Company may at its discretion accept payment from the Customer’s insurer,
    however ultimate responsibility is with the Customer. The Company reserves
    the right to inspect the Customer’s driving licence or that of his servant or agent
    and the Customer undertakes to ensure that any driver using the rented Vehicle
    holds a full (not provisional) licence.
    5. The Customer acknowledges that notwithstanding the provisions of (3) and (4)
    above he has a duty to ensure that all reasonable care is taken of the Vehicle
    against damage or loss throughout the rental period. The Customer accepts
    responsibility for any loss or damage to the Vehicle caused by his wilful act or
    negligence. This includes but is not restricted to responsibility for any loss or
    damage to the Vehicle or its accessories as a result of theft occurring when the
    Customer or his servant or agent has left the keys in or with the Vehicle and the
    Customer hereby indemnifies the Company against such loss or damage.
    6. (a) The Customer undertakes to ensure that the Vehicle is not subject to
    overloading in respect of number of persons or weight of goods carried
    within the Vehicle during the rental period.
    (b) If the Vehicle is used outside the mainland UK, the Customer undertakes to
    ensure that the Vehicle is checked for illegal immigrants before returning to
    the UK.
    7. The Customer undertakes to return the Vehicle with all tyres, tools, audio
    equipment and other accessories in the same condition as when received to the
    place and on the date set down overleaf. If special cleaning is required for
    whatever reason the Company will make a separate charge to cover the cost of
    any cleaning and/or repair work required.

    8. The Company undertakes to provide a Vehicle to the Customer which is in
    good working order and which functions satisfactorily throughout the rental
    period. If the Vehicle breaks down during the rental period (but only for
    reasons attributable to the Company’s negligence or wilful default), the
    Company undertakes to place the Customer in the position which he would
    have been in had the breach not taken place. Therefore the Company will,
    where the Vehicle breaks down in mainland UK, arrange, as soon as reasonably
    practicable after being informed of the breakdown, (a) recovery and repair of the
    rented Vehicle so that it is rendered functional, to a satisfactory extent, for the
    remainder of the rental period and/or, (b) where the rented Vehicle cannot be so
    repaired, provision of a replacement vehicle, of an equivalent standard and size
    to the rented Vehicle, to the Customer for the remainder of the rental period.
    Provision of this service in circumstances other than those shown above shall
    be at the discretion of the Company.
    9. Where the Vehicle develops a fault during the rental period owing to any
    reason whatsoever, the Customer undertakes to inform the Company
    immediately, and not to use the Vehicle while it is in an unroadworthy
    condition.
    10. Vehicles are rented at a daily rate according to the agreed charge, one day being
    defined as any period of 24 hours from the time of commencement of the rental
    agreement. A grace period of 59 minutes is allowed for after time due back.
    After this a day’s charge will be made.
    11. (a) In the event that the Customer requires a Vehicle for a longer period than the
    agreed rental period the Customer must notify the Company at least 2hours
    prior to the termination of the agreed rental period. In the event that the
    Customer fails to notify the Company of such requirement his authority to
    retain said Vehicle may, at the Company’s discretion, terminate and, in that
    event, the Customer will become liable for any loss or damage incurred by
    the Company as a result. The Company reserves the right, in the event of
    such failure of notification, to use such lawful means as it may choose to
    recover said Vehicle.
    (b) If the rental is to be extended beyond 28 days the Customer must notify the
    Company of the mileage of the Vehicle. The Company reserves the right to
    substitute a suitable replacement Vehicle.
    (c) In the event that a Vehicle on rent reaches the mileage at which a routine
    service is due the Customer undertakes to notify the Company and make
    that Vehicle available to the Company for such servicing to be carried out
    or for the Vehicle to be replaced at the Company’s discretion.
    12. If at termination, the Customer has complied with all the terms and conditions
    stipulated herein, then, but not otherwise, and subject to condition 5 above,
    responsibility for loss or damage to the Vehicle or its accessories is:
    (a) The full cost of any damage to the Vehicle if DLW has not been purchased.
    (b) Insured by the Customer where the Customer has arranged his own
    insurance in accordance with clause 4 above..
    (c) Limited to the price paid for DLW and the excess payable, where DLW has
    been purchased.

    13. All Vehicles are supplied with a full tank of fuel. If a Vehicle is delivered to the
    Customer, the Customer is liable for the cost of the fuel from the time it leaves
    the Company’s branch until such time as it is returned to a Company branch.
    All Vehicles will be refuelled upon return to a Company branch and the
    Customer accepts responsibility for the cost of such refuelling at the prevailing
    Company rate per litre.
    14. (a) The Customer is liable for all penalties incurred during the rental period
    including, but not restricted to, parking, clamping, bus lane and speeding
    fines, congestion and compound charges and in addition when the
    Company has to provide the Customer’s details to the authority levying such
    penalty, or it remains unpaid the Customer shall also be charged no more
    than an amount equivalent to the actual cost of the penalty.
    (b) At the termination of the rental it is the Customer’s responsibility to ensure
    that the Vehicle is parked in a suitable place to allow collection at any time
    up to a period of 6 working hours from termination without the imposition of
    any parking or clamping fines or towing or compound charges. If this
    provision is not complied with then the Customer shall be responsible for
    such penalties. If these remain unpaid they shall be charged to the
    Customer, together with an amount equivalent to the actual cost of the
    penalty incurred.
    (c) If the Vehicle is seized by Customs & Excise or the Immigration Authorities
    the Customer shall be charged for any Civil Penalty and restoration charges
    and loss of income whilst the Company cannot rent out the Vehicle.
    15. The Vehicle will not be used:
    (i) For the carriage of passengers or property for hire or reward.
    (ii) For racing, pacemaking, reliability trials, speed testing or driving instruction.
    (iii) To propel or tow any other vehicle or trailer except where the Vehicle is
    covered by the Customer’s own insurance and the Company’s
    written consent has been obtained.
    (iv) In violation of the provision of any legislation, order or regulation affecting
    the use, loading or condition of the Vehicle or for any illegal purpose.
    (v) Outside mainland United Kingdom without the express agreement of the
    Company.
    16. The Vehicle will not be driven by any person:
    (i) Other than the Customer or an Authorised Driver.
    (ii) Who is under the age specified by the Company from time to time (details
    of which will be available at the time of reservation). At certain locations
    an upper age limit may apply.
    (iii) Who has not held a valid full driving licence for a minimum period of 12
    months.
    (iv) Who is under the influence of alcohol, hallucinatory drugs, narcotics or
    barbiturates.
    (v) Whose driving licence is subject to restrictions due to disability or infirmity.
    17. The Customer acknowledges that any property placed within the Vehicle is
    there at his own risk and that the Company has no responsibility for such
    Property.
    18. The Customer will at the Company’s request do all required by the Company
    on its behalf and on behalf of the Insurers and permit his name to be used by
    the Company for enforcing any rights or remedies against any persons in
    connection with the Vehicle.
    19. The Customer or any Authorised Driver of the Vehicle will in no way be
    deemed to be the agent, servant or employee of the Company.
    20. The Company will not either on its own behalf or on behalf of the Insurers, waive
    any of its rights hereunder except in writing signed by a duly authorised
    representative of the Company or the Insurers respectively.
    21. The Company reserves the right not to reimburse any repairs in excess of £10
    not authorised in advance by the Company.
    22. If the Customer is a Company or other organisation for which a credit account
    has been opened these terms and conditions must be read in conjunction with
    the Corporate Terms and Conditions of Trading given to the Customer at the
    time of opening the account as varied from time to time. In the event of any
    inconsistencies the Corporate Terms and Conditions shall prevail.
    23. The Company reserves the right to terminate the rental to which this agreement
    refers if it becomes aware of any breach by the Customer of these Terms and
    Conditions. Upon breach of the above terms and conditions the Company
    may give your personal details to credit reference agencies, the Driver & Vehicle
    Licensing Authority (DVLA), Customs & Excise, the police, debt collectorsicon,
    and any other relevant organisation. The Company may also give your
    personal details to the British Vehicle Rental and Leasing Association, who
    may pass your details on to any of its Members for any purpose stated in the
    Data Protection Act 1988.
    24. Government taxes and other levies will be charged as required by current
    legislation.
    25. The Customer acknowledges that the Company is entitled to charge any credit,
    charge or debit card nominated at the time the rental is effected for any charges
    due to the Company pursuant to this agreement.
    26. If the Customer has chosen to pay in a currency other than that used by the
    Company when the quote was prepared, that choice has been made in the
    knowledge that the Company has used an Exchange Rate based on a
    commercial exchange rate supplied by Barclaysicon Bank, plus 2.75%. The
    Customer accepts that a choice of currency was available and that their decision
    is final.
    453D/10/06/05



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    Update: Just had a call from the escalations manager reffered to in the previous letter, shown above. He has dug his heels in and stated that they believe that loss of keys is negligent and is, therefore, not covered! Grrr.... Looks like I'm going to have to go all the way on this one. I think I'll try my credit card company first and see if I can suspend that payment. Anyone have any experience of this?


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    I have to agree with the Hire Company that keys are not covered under CDW policies, therefore you will be liable for full cost of replacement. However you could possibly claim on your household policy, as most include a section for loss of keys.


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    Well, apparently they are covered! Alamo have just called back and apologised profusely, stating that, upon further investigation, they have discovered that keys are covered by the MasterCover Plus policy, so they will be refunding my £95. Success!!

    Thanks, all, for your comments.


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    excellent news, just goes to show, a bit of pester power and they usually come up with the right answer in the end, did you have to mention how much money you spend with them per month?

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    I mentioned it a few times this morning when the manager chap called and when he told me that they were not prepared to do anything else, I said that I would take it to the small claims court. I don't know what helped more, but I was surprised when he called me back and said that he had made a mistake and that I was covered. I think what surprised me most was the fact that he had finished the call and continued to research the insurance issue, rather than just ignoring it. Massive respect to him for actually calling back and admitting that they had made a mistake...


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    I always take full collision damage waiver on the cars I hire, simply because the first couple of times I hired they tried to keep my deposit, blaming me for damage already done to the car before I rented it.
    And you used them again ???


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    Yes, company policy, unfortunately, that I have to go with the cheapest company, which they are...



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