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    hi all,
    hope this is the correct place to ask this.
    could somebody please take a look at this application form/agreement from barclaycard and tell me if it is, as i believe, just an application form or whether it is indeed a true credit agreement.
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    Yup, just like mine- application form.


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    thanks for your reply, thought so. I am constantly being phoned by barclaycard despite me sending an harassment letter. I am about to send a letter to them telling them I am no longer making payments as the agreement does not conform to s.60(1) and 61(1) of the CCA and unenforceable under s.127(3) of the same act, plus a s.10 is this correct? if not could you point me in the right direction please.
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    Hi Nick,

    Sorry but I'm not sure of the relevant sections governing the CCA.

    You will, however find good help and advice in the General Debt forum.

    You may also find a read of this thread useful as it is similar to yours - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...ml#post1189323

    You'll need to decide whether you want to reclaim unlawful chgs and settle the debt, or try and get the debt written off as it is unenforceable.

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    Hi Nick,

    That looks a bit like my form, as well!! Definitely unenforceable...


    As Slick said, you need to decide whether you will pursue them for charges or write off the debt. I think s.10 is only for removing default notices, although I have no experience of this.


    Will subscribe and keep an eye.


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    Hi slick132 and orge,

    I am looking to wipe this debt. Sent off this letter(as described above, found on this forum- will post it if you want) today I received a monthly statement from B/card and a letter from Mercers (who incidentally tried to collect on this debt previously but they had no Cca) Default notice served under s.87(i) of Cca. What to do now? should I CCA Mercers again and write to B/card (copying Mercers) telling them again that they have only sent me an application form or any other advise would be much appreciated as I am sick of the phone callsicon now from Mercers. ooooh!, just realized,today I ain't had one... yet!! ('touch wood') but there's time .
    any help/suggestions much appreciated.

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    Hi Nick,

    Yes he's our very own dog - 3rd Birthday yesterday.

    I'm asking someone to stop by and take a look for you and to advise on your best next move.

    Be patient and help'll be here soon.

    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
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    Hi there,

    from looking at the document you have posted it is TOTALLY UNENFORCABLE IMHO

    there are none of the prescribed terms present as required by Consumer Credit (Agreements) Regulations 1983 (SI 1983/1553) which was amended by Consumer Credit (Agreements) (amendmenticon) Regulations 2004 (SI2004/1482)

    basically, as you have already CCA'd them for this debt you do not need to send it again.

    can you confirm who sent you the default notice? was it mercers or Barclaycard

    i will post up a letter to send them to sort em out this evening, dont worry, as it stands we have a rock solid case here


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    Thanks slick132,
    I've pm'd you, what do you think? re: dog.

    Thanks pt2537
    It was Mercers who sent the default notice today, after I sent a letter to B/card this week. I can post this letter up if you want to know what I sent. Thank you and I will await your letter to send them. I think I have a rock solid case,but you never know with any of these.
    So far today I have had no calls from Mercers, I don't want to mess this up so thanks in advance for all your help.Spoke too soon, they have just rang must have read this........HELLO MERCERS....oh well, I thought I'd had a day without em calling. Harassment letter to you Monday.
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    Nick,

    dont worry mate, the default notice is completely irrelevant in this case, the default would be a requirement of section 87 Consumer Credit Act 1974 before they can take enforcement action of any sort, however, in this case they can blow it out their bottoms as they have a unenforcable agreement and therefore they cant do diddly squat as it stands.

    ive just got in from shopping so bear with me, gotta do the house hold duties and get the kids sorted etc then i will post up a letter to send them

    it will probably be around an hour may be a little longer but it wil be done by the end of the day


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    Hi Paul,
    thanks a lot and much appreciated, you take your time, when your ready, I'm in no rush. Will be sending Monday anyway. You sound extremely busy and I know what it's like, shoppings a nightmare, even so near Christmas and with the kids
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    Hi Nick

    Is there any chance you could post the Default notice they sent you? i would like to see if it is complaint with the regulations , if its not its even more ammo to whack them with, it would allows us to state the default is invalid in the letter

    im sorry ive took so long but ive been working on other things too, ive drafted around half of the letter but would like to add the default notice

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    Hi Nick,

    PM'd you re dog but have a look here for big pic - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...ml#post1252878

    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
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    Hi Paul,
    Good morning, hope your well. Here is the link to the Default notice (personal details removed) mercers.jpg - Image - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting
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    and thank you for your time, effort and knowledge.I very much appreciate your help and advice and people like you deserve all the praise you get. I also appreciate too that you are helping other people and don't worry as I've said 'no rush for this', as I am not sending it while Monday.
    The phone went this morning Mercers at 09.01, must have me on speed dial anyway will await your advice/letter and hopefully get these off my back.

    slick- will email you the pic re:dog, see what you think?

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    Hi Nick,

    Ok well, i have a few issues with what they have sent you, but i need to refer to the relevant regulations to make sure that when i slap them, i slap them with the right regs

    i should have everything done by close of play today as im off to the footy, im a long suffering southampton fan you see

    so once i get back i will finalise all the relevent buts and post up a cogent response to these idiots drawing their attention to the relevant legislation and case law that they need to read

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    SCHEDULE 2
    FORM OF DEFAULT NOTICE BEFORE A CREDITOR OR OWNER CAN BECOME ENTITLED, BY REASON OF ANY BREACH BY THE
    DEBTOR OR HIRER OF A REGULATED AGREEEMENT, TO TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT, DEMAND EARLIER PAYMENT OF ANY
    SUM, RECOVER POSSESSION OF ANY GOODS OR LAND, TREAT ANY RIGHT CONFERRED ON THE DEBTOR OR HIRER BY THE
    AGREEMENT AS TERMINATED, RESTRICTED OR DEFERRED OR ENFORCE ANY SECURITY

    Regulation 2(2)

    Details of agreement
    1
    A description of the agreement sufficient to identify it.

    Parties to agreement
    2
    (1) The name and a postal address of the creditor or owner.
    (2) The name and postal address of the debtor or hirer.
    Details of breach of agreement and action required to remedy, or pay compensation for, the breach
    3
    A specification of:--
    (a) the provision of the agreement alleged to have been breached; and
    (b) the nature of the alleged breach of the agreement, specifying clearly the matters complained of; and either
    (c) if the breach is capable of remedy, what action is required to remedy it and the date, being a date [not less than
    fourteen days] after the date of service of the notice, before which that action is to be taken; or
    (d) if the breach is not capable of remedy, the sum (if any) required to be paid as compensation for the breach and
    the date, being a date [not less than fourteen days] after the date of service of the notice, before which it is to be paid.
    Action by the creditor or owner to be ineffective if breach remedied or compensation paid
    4
    Where any action is specified under paragraph 3(c) or (d) as required to be taken, a statement that the provision for the
    taking of any action by the creditor or owner such as is mentioned in paragraph 6 will be ineffective if the breach is duly
    remedied or the compensation is duly paid in the following form--
    "IF THE ACTION REQUIRED BY THIS NOTICE IS TAKEN BEFORE THE DATE SHOWN NO FURTHER
    ENFORCEMENT ACTION WILL BE TAKEN IN RESPECT OF THE BREACH".
    Note:
    This statement shall follow the specification under paragraph 3(c) or (d) of any action required to be taken.
    Consequences of failure to comply with default notice
    5
    Where any action is specified under paragraph 3(c) or (d) as required to be taken, a statement indicating the consequences
    of the failure by the debtor or hirer to comply with the default notice in the following form--
    "IF YOU DO NOT TAKE THE ACTION REQUIRED BY THIS NOTICE BEFORE THE DATE SHOWN THEN THE
    FURTHER ACTION SET OUT BELOW MAY BE TAKEN AGAINST YOU [OR A SURETY]".
    Notes:
    1. This statement shall be followed by the specification under paragraph 6 of the further action intended to be taken by the
    creditor or owner.

    2. Creditor or owner to omit words in square brackets if there is no specification under paragraph 6(e) of any action
    intended to be taken to enforce any security.
    Action intended to be taken by creditor or owner
    6
    A clear and unambiguous statement by the creditor or owner indicating, if any action specified under paragraph 3(c) or
    (d) as required to be taken is not duly taken or if no such action is required to be taken, the action which he intends to take
    by reason of the breach by the debtor or hirer of the agreement--
    (a) to terminate the agreement;
    (b) to demand earlier payment of any sum;
    (c) to recover possession of any goods or land;
    (d) to treat any right conferred on the debtor or hirer by the agreement as terminated, restricted or deferred;
    (e) to enforce any security;
    (f) to enforce any provision of the agreement which becomes operative only on a breach of another provision of the
    agreement as specified in the notice,
    at any time on or after the date specified under paragraph 3(c) or (d), or, if no action is specified under that paragraph as
    required to be taken, indicating the date, being a date [not less than fourteen days] after the date of service of the notice,
    on or after which he intends to take any action indicated in this paragraph.
    Retaking of protected hire-purchase etc, goods
    [In the case of a hire-purchase or conditional sale agreement relating to goods,
    (a) made on or after 19th May 1985, where the property in the goods remains in the creditor; or
    (b) made before 19th May 1985, where the debtor has not himself put an end to the agreement by virtue of any right
    vested in him and where the total amount payable under the agreement does not exceed £7,500,
    a statement in the following form--]
    "BUT IF YOU HAVE PAID AT LEAST ONE-THIRD OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT PAYABLE UNDER THE
    AGREEMENT SET OUT BELOW (OR ANY INSTALLATION CHARGE PLUS ONE-THIRD OF THE REST OF
    THE AMOUNT PAYABLE), THE CREDITOR MAY NOT TAKE BACK THE GOODS AGAINST YOUR
    WISHES UNLESS HE GETS A COURT ORDER, (IN SCOTLAND, HE MAY NEED TO GET A COURT ORDER
    AT ANY TIME.) IF HE DOES TAKE THEM WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT OR A COURT ORDER, YOU HAVE
    THE RIGHT TO GET BACK ALL THE MONEY YOU HAVE PAID UNDER THE AGREEMENT SET OUT
    BELOW".
    Note:
    This statement shall follow the specification under paragraph 6 of the further action intended to be taken by the creditor
    or owner and be followed by--
    (a) either

    (i) the total amount payable under the agreement, or
    (ii) where there is an installation charge, separately, the amount of the installation charge and the rest of the total
    amount payable under the agreement; and
    (b) the total amount that the debtor has paid to the creditor by the giving of the notice.
    Requiring earlier payment of any sum
    8
    Where a sum of money is required to be paid under the notice,
    (a) the amount of the sum before deducting the amount of any rebate on early settlement;
    (b) where any rebate on early settlement is allowable under the agreement or by virtue of section 95 of the Act--
    (i) the amount of the rebate allowable calculated on the assumption that early settlement takes place on the date
    specified in the notice for earlier payment of the sum; and
    (ii) the total amount to be paid after taking into account the amount of any rebate on early settlement, namely the
    difference between the amount shown in paragraph (a) above and the amount shown in sub-paragraph (i).
    [Ending the agreement
    8A
    Where the agreement is a hire-purchase or conditional sale agreement, a statement in the following form--
    "You [may] [NOTE 1] have the right to end this agreement at any time before the final payment falls due.
    Note that this right may be lost if you do not act before the date shown (after which we may take action).
    If the date for final payment has not passed and you wish to end this agreement, you should write to the person to whom
    you make your payments. [You will nee
    d to pay [NOTE 2] if you wish to end this agreement by the da
    te shown and we will be entitled to the return of the goods. You will also be liable for costs if you have not taken
    reasonable care of the goods.] [NOTE 3].Note that if you end this agreement, this will not necessarily terminate any
    insurance finance agreements that are linked to this agreement.NOTE 1: creditor to omit the word "may" in the case of a
    hire purchase agreement.NOTE 2: creditor to insert the amount to be paid by the debtor calculated in accordance with the
    provisions of sections 99(2) and 100 of the Act and on the assumption that the debtor terminates the agreement on the
    date shown in this notice.NOTE 3: creditor to insert the passage in square brackets where the debtor's right to terminate
    under section 99 of the Act subs
    ists.".]Time order9A statement in the following form indicating that the debtor or hirer is entitled to apply under
    section 129 of the Act in England and Wales to the county courticon, in Scotland to the sheriff co
    [interesticon payable after a judgment
    9A
    Where an agreement makes provision for the charging of post-judgment interest in connection with a judgment sum, a

    statement in the following form--
    "You should be aware that if we take you to court and get a judgment against you requiring you to pay us the money you
    owe us under the agreement, you may have to pay us both the amount of the judgment and interest under the agreement
    on all the sums owed by you at the date of the judgment until you have paid these in full. This means that even if you pay
    off the whole amount of the judgment, you may still have a further sum to pay.".]urt or in Northern Ireland to the High
    Court or the county court for a time order--
    "IF YOU HAVE DIFFICULTY IN PAYING ANY SUM OWING UNDER THE AGREEMENT OR TAKING ANY
    OTHER ACTION REQUIRED BY THIS NOTICE, YOU CAN APPLY TO THE COURT WHICH MAY MAKE AN
    ORDER ALLOWING YOU OR ANY SURETY MORE TIME".
    General
    10
    A statement in the following form--
    "IF YOU ARE NOT SURE WHAT TO DO, YOU SHOULD GET HELP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. FOR EXAMPLE
    YOU SHOULD CONTACT A SOLICITOR, YOUR LOCAL TRADING STANDARDS DEPARTMENT OR YOUR
    NEAREST CITIZENS' ADVICE BUREAU".
    [10A
    A statement in the following form--
    "This notice should include a copy of the current Office of Fair Trading information sheet on default. This contains
    important information about your rights and where to go for support and advice. If it is not included, you should contact
    us to get one.".]
    11
    A statement in the following form--
    "IMPORTANT--YOU SHOULD READ THIS CAREFULLY".
    that what the law says the default must look like, and the BLOCK CAPS must also appear on the default as its written, this one is seriously flawed, im gonna have fun with this

    dont worry nick, they are sh!te out of luck with this

    regards
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    Hi Paul,
    Thanks for your help and support. hope Southampton pull a win out of the bag for you, old Trafford faithful myself of 25+ years and that hasn't always been a rose garden despite what people think. I look forward to sending these packing as the daily phone callsicon start to wind you up (slightly) although you know they are in the wrong and that they are treading on dangerous ground.
    nick


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    Would it not be easier to go for continued non-compliance of a CCA request ?.... as without a valid CCA, there's nothing to default anyway, so to speak.

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    well,it would P1 but the default notice is flawed and therefore not legally compliant with the law. i prefer to raise all relevant facts as opposed to just merely saying well you dont have a cca agreement. however, this is my way of doing things due to the way ive been trained while undertaking my degree

    i appreciate others prefer the short and sweet approach, i prefer to kick hard and long

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    well,it would P1 but the default notice is flawed and therefore not legally compliant with the law. i prefer to raise all relevant facts as opposed to just merely saying well you dont have a cca agreement. however, this is my way of doing things due to the way ive been trained while undertaking my degree

    i appreciate others prefer the short and sweet approach, i prefer to kick hard and long

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    Nothing wrong with that at all !!

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