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    Hi
    Im writing on behalf of my partner who has recieved a county courticon claim from an old Abbeyicon National credit card.
    My partner after reading here has asked Abbey National, MBNAicon (who took over the debt) and then Arrow Global LLC for a copy of the agreement but had no reply so payment was stopped after 2 months of non recipt from Abbey National.
    Now they have sent a county court claim to her.
    Arrow Global are saying they have been sold the debt but nothing was ever sent regarding the transfer to them just the bog standard letters saying you owe us this.
    on the claim form it is saying that they are claiming for monies due from the defendant dated 12/8/1993 regulated under the consumer credit act 2006?
    I find this odd as the agreement surely should be regulated under CCA 1974 from when it was signed.
    It also states all particulars have been delivered to the defendant, she has recieved nothing.
    I dont know whether it would be worth agreeing a payment plan with the DCAicon to avoid court action then put a claim in for nearly £1000 in charges back which would still leave £1300 or to defend the claim due to them not providing a copy of the agreement etc?
    If she does defend the claim does she need to send the papers back to the court saying this, as Ive never delt with a County Court Claim before.
    I told her to go down the defending the claim route but she is scared to do this
    Any help or advice on this would be greatly appreciated

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    While creditors in default of s.78 request they can not lawfully enforce agreement. MBNAicon unlikely to have enforceable agreement.

    File defence stating mbna haven't supplied cooy of agreement & in default. Put creditor to proof of debt.

    Write again to creditors & say that under cpr protocols you request disclosure of all information they hold pertinent to case including true copy of agreement.

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    Hi
    Thanks for that but what does she reply to the court and how does it work?
    If she defends the claim stating MBNAicon haven't supplied copy of agreement & in default. Put creditor to proof of debt what happens then?
    Ive never delt with this process before so sorry to sound a little dumb on this


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    If she puts creditors to proof & they don't produce an enforceable agreement then the court cannot enforce agreement for the creditors.

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    So we send the cort papers back defending the claim due to the agreement not being provided but they say its regulated under the consumer credit act 2006??
    I find this very odd


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    My partner after reading here has asked Abbeyicon National, MBNAicon (who took over the debt) and then Arrow Global LLC for a copy of the agreement but had no reply so payment was stopped after 2 months of non recipt from Abbey National.


    Was this a CCA request? If they actually have the agreement and produce it in court then the judge wouldnt look too kindly on them for non-compliance of the CCA request and thus wasting the courts time so id say they dont have the agreement.
    If that is the case then it is pretty stupid of them to instigate legal action
    but as Josie8 says put them to proof for disclosure under CPR.
    If they dont supply this then that is your defence in full, ask to have the case thrown out.


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    Yes she has sent 3 CCA requests One to Abbeyicon National, MBNAicon and Arrow Global LLC so what does she put for the defence on the court papers she has?


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    Default Re: County Court Summons Urgent Help Required

    Anything from any of them.
    Which date is court set for?


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    No there has been nothing from any of them apart from MBNAicon who phoned hourly every day (I know this because I work from home and got very stroppy with them) offering good offers so they put it to me if my partner rang them back (thinking about putting in a counter claim for lost income from these hourly calls lol)
    The issue date was 5th november 2007 so as far as I can work out it gives 14 days after 5 days of the date on the claim form? which I make the 23rd
    Can I go with her as her defence if it went to court as she doesnt want to go and wouldnt be able to defend herself properly where as I'm in sales and can get my point over after reading these forums


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    Default Re: County Court Summons Urgent Help Required

    Do we defend the claim now or ask for more time?


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    She should have proof of the CCA request to Abbeyicon Nat. Either recorded delivery confirmation of receipt of the CCA requests or of the £1 cashed po's.

    If the claim is from Northampton then it needs to be acknowledged. I prefer to do that on the 14th day cos that gives you another 14 days (and it annoys the DCAicon). That's online acknowledgement if it's Northampton or hand delivered if it's local.

    You need to send off a fax to Abbey Nat a couple of days before you're due to file your defence. Tell them that you sent them a CCA request and they received it/cashed the P.O. on xx/xx/2007. Tell them that their lack of response is hindering you being able to prepare your defence and that they should respond in the next couple of days by business post so that you are able to use the information they supply as part of your defence.

    They won't reply and say in your defence (that will be made on the last possible day) that you have sent off two requests for information - waited for a response but in the absence of a reply you are unable to prepare anything but a basic defence that denies everything.

    You'll get an aqicon (allocation questionaire - mandatory form that gives the Court an idea of how much this case is going to take up in respect of time) at some point and then we can get things moving in your direction. CPR request for the information and what they used to back up the default notice etc.

    That's what I'd do anyway.


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    Default Re: County Court Summons Urgent Help Required

    Without an enforceable agreement you are in charge.
    Will ask one of our more knowledgeable peeps to advise further.


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    Default Re: County Court Summons Urgent Help Required

    do we not CCA the DCAicon as they are the claimant?


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    Default Re: County Court Summons Urgent Help Required

    and no signatures on the Abbeyicon fax!


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    Default Re: County Court Summons Urgent Help Required

    Thanks to all for your fantastic advise
    She has filed online asking for 28 days to produce a defence against the claim
    Is this the right thing to do?
    What do we do after 28 days if no reply to the CCA request?
    Thanks Again
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    There are two schools of thought here. If the DCAicon is claiming then they should get everything. The other is that without being notified of assignment then it is still the original creditor. There is nothing wrong in doing belt and braces. Copy the DCA with your original letter to the Abbeyicon for the CCA request. When sending the "I need an urgent reply" fax before your defence goes in you send separate faxes to both. You have every angle covered then.


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    Hi, Bigmac asked me to have a look at your thread.

    do we not CCA the DCAicon as they are the claimant?
    Just for the avoidance of doubt, it is Arrow who are the claimant. Yes?

    Personally I would defend in full.

    If she does defend the claim does she need to send the papers back to the court saying this,
    Yes or she can do it via MCOL. At the moment she only needs to state she is defending the claim. She doesn't need to submit a defence.

    From your previous posts you state that a CCA request was already sent. What we'll do now is ask for documents under the Civil Procedureicon Rules as they are taking legal action against you. Send the claimant the following. This is a legal request that they must comply with, I would recommend that you send it special delivery next day before 1pm.

    REQUEST FOR INFORMATION UNDER THE CIVIL PROCEDURE RULES.

    Dear Sir/Madam,

    I have received the Court claim filed by your Company. To enable me to file a defence and counter-claim, I require specific information regarding the account to be provided forthwith. Given that this matter is now the subject of legal proceedings, you are obliged to disclose under the Civil Procedure Rules, the information and documents detailed below. This letter supersedes the CCA request made to on (DATE). The information must be furnished by the (DATE), which gives you ten days to provide what has been requested. If you fail to comply, this will be reported to the Court, a copy of this letter will be provided as evidence to the same and an Order enforcing your compliance will be sought.

    1. A true copy of the executed credit agreement and any terms and conditionsicon that applied to the account at the time of default and at the time the account was opened.
    2. All records you hold on me relevant to this case, including but not limited to:
    a. A transcript of all transactions, including charges, fees, interesticon, repayments and payments.
    b. Transcriptions of all telephone conversations recorded and any notes made in relation to telephone conversations
    c. Where there has been any event in my account history over this period which has required manual intervention by any person, I require disclosure of any indication or notes which have either caused or resulted in that manual intervention, or other evidence of that manual intervention in relation to my account formerly held with MBNA
    d. True copies of any notice of assignment and/or default notice or enforcement notice that you or the original creditor sent me, with a copy of any proof of postage that you hold.
    e. Documents relating to any insurance added to the account, including the insurance contract and terms and conditionsicon, date it was added and deleted (if applicable).
    f. Details of any collection charge added to the account; specifically, the date it was levied, the amount of the charge, a detailed financial breakdown of how the charge was calculated, and what the charge covers.
    g. Specific details of the fees/charges levied by any other agency in respect of this account and a detailed breakdown of said fees/charges and what each charge relates to and on what date said fees/charges were levied.
    h. A genuine copy of any deed of assignment, or proof that you have a legal right to this money.
    i. A genuine copy of any notice of fair use of my data as required by the Data Protection Act 1998
    j. A list of third party agencies to whom you have disclosed my personal dataicon and a summary of the nature of the information you have disclosed.

    3. Any other documents you seek to rely on in court.
    4. A copy of your complaints procedure, as required by the Consumer Credit Act 2006.
    5. Clarification of the date you acquired the debt, what organisation you acquired it from, their registered office, their company number (if any) and what legal title they had to this debt, and what credit license number they had at the time that the debt was purchased or entered into.

    I will require this information within the next ten days. I must advise you that if the information is not forthcoming, it will be reported to the Court that you are trying to frustrate proceedings and denying me the opportunity to file a defence and counter claim.

    I would appreciate your due diligence in this matter.

    I await your rapid response.

    Yours Faithfully,
    If they don't supply this information don't panic. It actually works to your advantage if they don't supply the info as the case may be thrown out for this reason alone (worst case scenario the judge just gives them more time to supply the documents).


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    I find this odd as the agreement surely should be regulated under CCA 1974 from when it was signed.
    It is, The CCA 2006 is not retrospective and actually states this in the Act.

    It also states all particulars have been delivered to the defendant, she has recieved nothing.
    We can get them to sign a statement of truth to this effect as part of your friends defence. That normally scares the sh1t out of them


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    Default Re: County Court Summons Urgent Help Required

    Forgot to ask, did your friend ever receive a defalt notice on this account?


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    Just pm'd you Rory



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