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    Default Re: bigegg v Intrum Justitia/Capital Bank

    SARicon is next - unless they can't supply the CCA.
    In which case they'll wish they hadn't rejected the 12K settlement I offered them ...

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    Default Re: bigegg v Intrum Justitia/Capital Bank

    Quote Originally Posted by bigegg View Post
    S.A.R - (Subject access requesticon) is next - unless they can't supply the CCA.
    In which case they'll wish they hadn't rejected the 12K settlement I offered them ...
    also:

    the total sum paid under the agreement by the debtor,
    the total sum which has become payable under the agreement but remains unpaid, and the total sum which is to become payable under the agreement by the debtor

    (the latter two must include the various amounts comprised in that total sum and the date when each is/was due).

    I read that as "all three"





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    Default bigegg v Intrum Justitia/Capital Bank

    Borrowed 10k from capital bank around 10 years ago.
    Defaulted almost immediately due to change of income.

    Added 10K "interesticon charges" as soon as a/c went into default.
    Been paying from £10 originally to £50 monthly now.

    They now say I owe 19.5K still, but refuse to send me a statement of
    payments/charges when requested verbally.

    CCA in post tomorrow - this *should* elicit a complete statement of
    payments made, but should it be over last six years, or from start of
    agreement?


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    Default Re: bigegg v Intrum Justitia/Capital Bank

    CCA sent by recorded 1st class on 1st Nov,
    so this is the 4th clear working day.
    Not showing as signed-for at Intrum Justitia at their CV37 0BP yet

    Is the CCA deemed to have been delivered after 2 days regardless of what
    RM says, or do I have to wait for confirmation of delivery before I can start counting the 12 days?


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    Default Re: bigegg v Intrum Justitia/Capital Bank

    If it's penalty charges and refund of them you're wanting you'll need to send a SARicon to ascertain all debits taken from the account.


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    Default Re: bigegg v Intrum Justitia/Capital Bank

    Quote Originally Posted by shane5408 View Post
    If it's penalty charges and refund of them you're wanting you'll need to send a S.A.R - (Subject access requesticon) to ascertain all debits taken from the account.
    That's next on the list - but if they can't supply the CCA (and I'm betting they can't) then I won't have to pay any of it - they can keep the 3 or 4 grand I've already paid, and I won't have to spend an extra tenner on them.


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    Default Re: bigegg v Intrum Justitia/Capital Bank

    bump
    Well into default period now.
    received a letter dated 13th November acknowledging receipt of CCA request, but recorded delivery still showing as "not delivered"

    Can I take date of delivery as 2 days after posting? or as date on letter of acknowledgement from DCAicon


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    Default Re: bigegg v Intrum Justitia/Capital Bank

    Quote Originally Posted by bigegg View Post
    bump
    Well into default period now.
    received a letter dated 13th November acknowledging receipt of CCA request, but recorded delivery still showing as "not delivered"

    Can I take date of delivery as 2 days after posting? or as date on letter of acknowledgement from DCAicon
    i think legally, you can take it as 2 days after posting.

    In any case, you don't need to do anything until they send the Credit Agreement.

    i will be off site for the next month or so. if you have any problems, feel free to report the post so a moderator can help you.

    I am not a qualified or practicing lawyer.

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    Default Re: bigegg v Intrum Justitia/Capital Bank

    My son had dealings with IJ.

    They said that they couldn't send a statement of account because that had to come from the OC, but they could send a letter containing the initial balance, current balance & a list of all of the payments made.

    Not sure what the difference between that & a statement is, but son is still waiting for it.

    You can stop paying them after they have defaulted (ie after 12 working days)

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    Default Re: bigegg v Intrum Justitia/Capital Bank

    Big

    If they dont supply it I'd be going for removal of that default as well

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    Default Re: bigegg v Intrum Justitia/Capital Bank

    Quote Originally Posted by ncf355 View Post
    Big

    If they dont supply it I'd be going for removal of that default as well
    no point (is there?)

    I was defaulted over 8 years ago - it fell off my credit rating ages ago.


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    Default Re: bigegg v Intrum Justitia/Capital Bank

    If you can show damage (higher interesticon loans, etc) might be worth damages still?

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    Default Re: bigegg v Intrum Justitia/Capital Bank

    Quote Originally Posted by ncf355 View Post
    If you can show damage (higher interesticon loans, etc) might be worth damages still?
    I think I'll let it lie - I borrowed (and spent) 10 grand, I've only repaid 3 or 4
    grand.
    I'll not be greedy and try to take them for more - they might decide it's worth
    a better look for the CCA.

    As I said earlier, the CCA does turn up, then I'll be going the
    SARicon/charges route, but for the moment I'm content.


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    Default Re: bigegg v Intrum Justitia/Capital Bank

    Letter received this morning from IJ

    "You haven't paid since october, please send us some money NOW, or else"

    (something like that).

    "Bog off" letter now, plus request for complaints procedure I think.

    Does anyone know whih trading standards office I should be complaining to?

    I have a correspondence address of CM19 5WF on the latest letter, earlier letters say caerphilly, and CCA was sent to CV37 address from their
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    Default Re: bigegg v Intrum Justitia/Capital Bank

    Hey throw this at IJ, might make them take notice.

    Formal Complaint
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    Dear Sir/Madam,

    With reference to my previous letters, I wish to draw you attention to your company's lack of compliance with my legal request.

    On **DATE** I made a formal request for a true signed agreement for the alleged account under consumer credit Act 1974 s77/8. A copy of which is enclosed for your purusal and ease of reference.
    You have failed to comply with request, and as such the account entered default on **DATE**.

    The document that you are obliged to send me is a true copy of the executed agreement that contained all of the prescribed terms, all other required terms and statutory notices and was signed by both your company and myself as defined in section 61(1) of CCA 74 and subsequent Statutory Instruments. If the executed agreement contained any reference to any other document, you are also obliged to send me a copy of that document.

    As you may not be aware , failure to comply with this request within 12 working days renders the alleged debt UNENFORCEABLE in law. Furthermore, if this non-compliance continues for a further month then a summary, criminal offence is committed.

    Furthermore you should be aware that a creditor is not permitted to take ANY action against an account whilst it remains in dispute.

    The lack of a compliant credit agreement is a very clear dispute and as such the following applies.

    * may not demand any payment on the account, nor am I obliged to offer any payment to you.
    * may not add further interesticon or any charges to the account.
    * may not pass the account to a third party.
    * may not register any information in respect of the account with any credit reference agency.
    * may not issue a default notice related to the account.

    Therefore this account has become unenforceable at law.

    Consequentially any legal action you pursue will be averred as both UNLAWFUL and VEXATIOUS.

    After taking advice, I am of the opinion that your continued pursuit is in violation of the Administration of Justice Act 1970 section 40, Protection from harassment Act 1997 section 3 as well as breaching a number of the OFT Collection Guidelines.

    I reserve the right to report your actions to any such regulatory authorities as I see fit.
    You have 14 days from receiving this letter to contact me with your intentions to resolve this matter which is now a formal complaint.

    I hope that you will enter into a sincere dialogue with me about this matter and I am writing this letter to you on the assumption that you would prefer to do this than merely respond with standard letters and leaflets.

    I would appreciate your due diligence in this matter.

    I await your rapid response.

    Yours Faithfully


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    Default Re: bigegg v Intrum Justitia/Capital Bank

    Thanks CB - I used the above.

    note to anyone using the above as a template:-

    Spelling mistake in line 9 - "perusal", not "purusal" and
    I have inserted the word "my" in line 10 ( "You have failed to comply with my request)

    (Not a criticism, BTW, CB)


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    Default Re: bigegg v Intrum Justitia/Capital Bank

    lol no worries I'll make a change

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    Default Re: bigegg v Intrum Justitia/Capital Bank

    new letter this morning from IJ.

    "legal action in 48hrs - pay or phone or else".

    Mrs Eggicon is pulling her hair out now, and I'm feeling a little harassed <wink>

    Still haven't had a reply re. complaint in CB's letter above (signed for on 17/1/08) - they've got a couple of days, but todays's letter dated 18th.

    Complaint to fosicon for not dealing with my complaint? (or do I have to wait the full 14 days?)
    Complaint to OFT for breach of debt collectionicon guidelines?
    Complaint to IJ's local TS via website for failure to comply with CCA request?
    Complaint at my local police station re. the harassment? Even if it's just for a crime number.


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    Default Re: bigegg v Intrum Justitia/Capital Bank

    If i had been to court every time it was threatened, I'd have a private parking space at the court.

    i take it they said "may issue court proceedings" in 48 hours.

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    Default Re: bigegg v Intrum Justitia/Capital Bank

    yup - that's the one.

    am I right in thinking the above complaints are the correct ones to the correct people?



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