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    Default PCN today, wrong number plate.

    Received a ticket today...

    However the dumb attendant was in such a hurry to write it out before moving the car he got the wrong plate, one letter is wrong. The ticket also says "Date of Notice:" Is this wording allowed?

    Can this still stand? And does him having photographs of the vehicle make any difference?

    Thanks for your advice...

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    Default Re: PCN today, wrong number plate.

    Photographs in this case are irrelevant.

    Its what he wrote that is.

    Infact did he take pictures?

    Which Local Council ?

    Type of Contravention?

    It might be a good idea to scan ticket so we can have a look, Your number plate is in correct anyway, but you may if you wish STRIKE A LINE THRU THE VRM.


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    Default Re: PCN today, wrong number plate.

    Council is Reigate and Banstead, he definately took pictures.

    What do you mean STRIKE A LINE THRU THE VRM?

    Havnt got a scanner to show you the ticket... but this is the exact wording from top to bottom...

    Reigate & Banstead Borough Council
    Penalty Charge Notice

    Road Traffic Act 1991 Section 66 & Schedule 6 as amended

    Notice Number
    ##########

    Motor vehicle with Registration number
    #######

    Make: #####
    Colour: #####

    Was seen at Location
    Station Road (Redhill CPZ)

    Date of Contravention:
    27/10//07
    At (time): 10:35

    Date of Notice: 27/10/07

    By Parking Attendant: ###

    signatureicon................ ...............

    Who had reasonable cause to believe that the following parking contravention had occurred

    01 Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours

    You are therefore required to pay a penaly charge of £60 within 28 days

    A discounted penalty charge of £30 will be accepted in settlement of the penalty charge if payment is made within 14 days.

    pcnicon Number ##########

    For instructions on what to do next see over
    Do not pay the parking attendant



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    Default Re: PCN today, wrong number plate.

    Quote Originally Posted by zedox View Post
    Received a ticket today...
    I beg to differ, unless the pcnicon has your reg. no. on it it is nothing to do with you. Ignore the PCN but keep the hard copy you have incase the Council try to chase you up. If you do not pay it the Council will send the incorrect VRM to the DVLA to obtain the keepers details which will come back as unknown or the wrong vehicle depending on the error.


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    Default Re: PCN today, wrong number plate.

    I would write a letter to them stating that as far as you can remember your vehicle was not illegally parked on this date and time and place as this vehicle registration on the ticket is not yours no need to give them your index. To assist your case you request a copy of the photograph's taken at the time etc.

    This way your denying the offence by saying that you cannot recall and asking them to prove that it was your vehicle and should be able to get a copy of the photograph to see if it shows your true index etc and if this photograph shows a date and or time on it. Also ask for copies of any original notes belonging to the warden made at the time.

    It is better this way rather than not doing anything about the ticket.

    If the index is wrong then they should not pursue it any further and the ticket should be voided. If not and they issue summons then you can produce this letter saying that the index is wrong you can't recall if it was your vehicle and that you acted openly and honestly by asking for any other evidence that supports your or the councils case.

    See what this brings

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    Default Re: PCN today, wrong number plate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baz468 View Post
    I would write a letter to them stating that as far as you can remember your vehicle was not illegally parked on this date and time and place as this vehicle registration on the ticket is not yours no need to give them your index. To assist your case you request a copy of the photograph's taken at the time etc.

    I can just see the letter now!.....

    Dear Council
    I was parked in Redhill on 27 of October in a vehicle which I do not want to tell you the VRM of but just in case I was parked in contravention can you send me any photos you took of my car. :grin:

    You are totally missing the point the Council cannot pursue this ticket since it has not been issued to a vehicle owned by the OP. Why even waste a stamp writing to the council, in doing so admit you were there and in addition alert them to their error? They have no way of contacting the OP unless they realise the error and fabricate evidence based on a photo of the VRM in which case you can produce the pcnicon but until then just sit tight.


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    Default Re: PCN today, wrong number plate.

    I'm with Ggreen_and_mean.

    Say nowt; do nowt.

    They cannot pursue for this pcnicon; they cannot issue a new one; any NtO they issue from the photograph is not for any PCN that you have been given.

    Do not contact them and risk giving away your advantage.


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    Default Re: PCN today, wrong number plate.

    Should the ticket also state that the amount payable is due in 28 days from such and such date.

    I know its not really relevant due to the wrong VRM, but thought I would point it out anyhow.


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    Default Re: PCN today, wrong number plate.

    thanks guys... ignore this one then I guess.


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    Default Re: PCN today, wrong number plate.

    Hi
    My husband received a pcnicon last week (7 days ago) and the VRM is incorrect (one digit is wrong). However the Local Authority have taken photographs which show the correct VRM. Am I right then in assuming (going by what's been posted in this thread) that he can ignore the PCN and if he receives a NTO at a later date (off the back of the photographs they took) we can contest by saying that the PCN he received does not correlate to the NTO/photos?
    Thanks in advance!


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    Default Re: PCN today, wrong number plate.

    Completely ignore the ticket. It is void/ invalid/ nada...
    They cannot pursue you for an offense that "didn't happen"


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    Default Re: PCN today, wrong number plate.

    Thank you Zedox. I take it you have personal experience of exactly this situation (looking at the thread you had a similar query a while back)?


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    Default Re: PCN today, wrong number plate.

    Nothing happened with mine. It wasn't pursued!


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    Default Re: PCN today, wrong number plate.

    Thanks, think we are going to ignore also and see what happens. Do you know if they can apply other charges if they pursue and are by chance successful in making him pay the fine? By 'other charges' I mean interesticon or costs associated with pursuit of it?


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    Default Re: PCN today, wrong number plate.

    someone correct me if im wrong but my understanding is that if the ticket is incorrect then it is effectively void and thus obsolete. They can't persue it as theoretically it didn't happen!


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    Default Re: PCN today, wrong number plate.

    Just to add, I have today received a ticket for parking on double yellow lines, again with the wrong VRM. However this isnt 1 digit wrong it is ALL digits wrong, my car is an 'S' reg and the ticket is issued on a 55 plate. Parking Attendant must have been asleep.

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    Default Re: PCN today, wrong number plate.

    Quote Originally Posted by zedox View Post
    someone correct me if im wrong but my understanding is that if the ticket is incorrect then it is effectively void and thus obsolete. They can't persue it as theoretically it didn't happen!
    I've read that the pcnicon in not important, as the photograph is evidence that the PCN was served on the correct vehicle (the correct reg no. will appear in the photo)

    therefore the photo proves that it did happen.

    any thoughts?


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    Default Re: PCN today, wrong number plate.

    The pcnicon is the legal document, the photo is only supporting evidence that is not even required from a legal point of view.

    the PCN cannot be re-issued for the same offence and as such, is invalid. If they do check it against the photo, then all that should mean is they know full well that they must drop the PCN at the earliest opportunity.


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    Default Re: PCN today, wrong number plate.

    Quote Originally Posted by channy8dan View Post
    I've read that the pcnicon in not important, as the photograph is evidence that the PCN was served on the correct vehicle (the correct reg no. will appear in the photo)

    therefore the photo proves that it did happen.

    any thoughts?
    Hi.

    This statement is completely false. The PCN is crucial - photos are irrelevant. Even if they have photos showing a contravention, they can't issue a PCN against the vehicle now - only the one issued on the day is in existence, and the liable party is the owner of the VRM stated on it.

    Therefore... not your VRM on the PCN... not your problem. End of.


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    Default Re: PCN today, wrong number plate.

    Many thanks!!! : )



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