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    Default Wescott, Datatrace, Thames Credit and GE Money named in suicide case

    Not sure if anyone's seen this yet from yesterdays thisislondon.co.uk:

    Grandmother 'terrorised' to death after bank wrongly hounded her for £16,000| News | This is London

    A grandmother killed herself after debt collectorsicon' demands for nearly £16,000 were wrongly sent to her home.


    Widowed Beryl Brazier, 61, drowned in a pond after months of living in fear of bailiffsicon turning up on her doorstep.


    Yet the £15,670 was owed to US-owned GE Capital Bank by a man she had never met - who lived some 200 miles away.


    Mother-of-four Mrs Brazier owed the bank just £400.

    They terrorised her to her death," said her daughter Susan Musk, 39. "Mum tried ringing them, writing to them and even visited the Citizen's Advice Bureau to get these people off her back - but nothing would stop them.

    "When they wrote saying the case would be going to county courticon and they were going to send their field agents to her door, she panicked.


    "They have destroyed our lives and taken the best thing that ever happened to our family."


    Care assistant Mrs Brazier even paid £500 of the Surrey stranger's bill in a vain attempt to appease the debt collectors.


    She was found drowned in Midway ponds near her home in Swadlincote, Derbyshire.


    Deputy coroner Dr Turlough Farnan recorded a verdict of suicide at an inquest last week, adding: "This death should be carefully considered by tracing and debt collection agencies."


    The saga began in 1998 when Mrs Brazier opened her account with GE Capital, also known as GE Money, the financial services division of General Electric.


    Seven years later she moved from her flat in Swadlincote to a nearby address. When the bank could not contact her, it employed Wescot Credit to chase the £400 debt.


    In turn, Wescot asked Datatrace UK to find Mrs Brazier's new address.
    Datatrace did this but an administrative error meant the new address was registered as the Surrey debtor's, and passed on to GE Capital.
    When demands in the Surrey man's name began arriving in late 2005, Mrs Brazier returned them and told the bank it had made a mistake. But the letters bearing the man's name continued.


    Her son Nigel said: "She was a natural worrier and when the letters kept coming she would have been terrified of having someone battering down her door in front of her neighbours.


    "She was always very careful with money. After her death we received more than £100 from the gas, electric and phone companies because she had gone into credit with all of them."


    The final letter - from Thames Credit, which "bought" the debt from GE Capital - arrived a week before she died.


    It warned that "field agents" would "call at your address to discuss repayment of this debt with you in person".


    At the inquest, Datatrace managing partner Peter Suffield said it admitted "full responsibility" for the address blunder.
    Datatrace UK, Wescot Credit and Thames Credit were unavailable for comment last night.


    A GE Capital spokesman said: "It is standard industry practice to use specialist agencies to locate customers whose address details are no longer accurate."


    Derbyshire South MP Mark Todd said: "We need to examine the regulation of debt collection agencies who sell debt around like a commodity.
    "This allows the link to the original circumstances of the debt to become removed.


    "The commodities are human beings and no one thinks of the implications of this."


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    Default Re: Wescott, Datatrace, Thames Credit and GE Money

    Derbyshire South MP Mark Todd said: "We need to examine the regulation of debt collectionicon agencies who sell debt around like a commodity.
    "This allows the link to the original circumstances of the debt to become removed.


    "The commodities are human beings and no one thinks of the implications of this."

    Yes, comented on another thread.

    I agree with the above MP.

    Big change needs to happen in this incompetant, bullying, intimidating, harassing, lying, filthy law breaking 'industry'. They are nothing more than licencenced thugs with no conscience or concern for the harm they do

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    Default Re: Wescott, Datatrace, Thames Credit and GE Money

    Also in todays Mail on Sunday


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    Default Re: Wescott, Datatrace, Thames Credit and GE Money

    Also in the Sunday Mirror

    CREDIT FIRM'S FATAL MIX-UP - Sunday - News - Sunday Mirror

    When I read this I felt like crying for this poor lady and her family.

    If only she had had the help and support of CAGicon.

    God bless her
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    Default Re: Wescott, Datatrace, Thames Credit and GE Money named in suicide case

    I have changed the title as the previous on was potentially libellous.


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    Default Re: Wescott, Datatrace, Thames Credit and GE Money named in suicide case

    I cut this out of the Sunday Mirror this morning to scan & post, but i've been out most of the day. Last Sunday in the month is farmers market on the flea market at Ashton market.

    This already seems to have been given a lot of comments and i'm personally sickened by what has happened here. With a bit of role reversal, had this happened to me............ Well... I think we know don't we!!

    This is the story as it ran in the Mirror this morning...



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    Default Re: Wescott, Datatrace, Thames Credit and GE Money named in suicide case

    Wonder how they'll explain that one at the debt collectionicon Agency of the Year Awards


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    Default Re: Wescott, Datatrace, Thames Credit and GE Money named in suicide case

    Dave what was The Mirror's comment?

    Certainly disgusting an innocent person is driven to such action. It also shows how desperate people can be where the debt is actually theirs. The whole industry should be ashamed and change immediately.


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    Default Re: Wescott, Datatrace, Thames Credit and GE Money named in suicide case

    Disgusting,
    I'm glad an MP took notice.


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    An MP will take notice only as long as he/she will gain from it personally. With an election possible in the next few months, weeks even, they will say absolutely anything to gather every last vote.

    There are already laws in place to regulate the companies which caused this lady's sad actions but these are routinely flouted by debt collectorsicon because they know they will never be prosecuted.

    If the MP and his colleagues were to do more than express sympathy and actually do something would be headline news in itself.

    In this respect, as so many CAGers have found, taking on the companies and hauling them up before a court is often far more likely to bring about a change. I found it very, very enlightening that no one from these companies was willing to comment on this matter. I wonder how they would react if served with a writ claiming damages!


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    Hi,
    If you are the cause of someones suicide it becomes manslaughter.
    Someone is accountable for this.


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    Default Re: Wescott, Datatrace, Thames Credit and GE Money named in suicide case

    It's not the first DCAicon induced suicide sadly. It goes to show how badly this "industry" needs to be reined in.

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    Default Re: Wescott, Datatrace, Thames Credit and GE Money named in suicide case

    Maybe a mod could merge the two threads on this???

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    Default Re: Wescott, Datatrace, Thames Credit and GE Money named in suicide case

    My thoughts go to the family of this poor woman,her life must of been made hell for her to do that.How many others are suffering in silence.
    Something needs to be done.


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    My heart goes out to this family, Wescot what you have done is beyond believe, you really are bad bad people

    I have emailed David Cameron, and asked for him to take personal look into this case.

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    My heart goes out to this family, Wescot what you have done is beyond believe, you really are bad bad people

    I have emailed David Cameron, and asked for him to take personal look into this case.

    camerond@parliament.uk
    My heart also goes out to the family.

    I have also emailed David Cameron and asked him the same.


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    Default Re: Wescott, Datatrace, Thames Credit and GE Money named in suicide case

    I have also come across this,let's see if they will answer us for their actions.



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    Default Re: Wescott, Datatrace, Thames Credit and GE Money named in suicide case

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    Default Re: Wescott, Datatrace, Thames Credit and GE Money named in suicide case

    Damn good comment. Wonder if they would be willing to keep that spotlight on more facts about how the industry operates?


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    Default Re: Wescott, Datatrace, Thames Credit and GE Money named in suicide case

    Have a look at comments on the Cretin Today website

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    Is this guy defending their actions and blaming the family?



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