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    Default Tesco Credit Card/ Triton CCA response

    Hi all, a bit of advice needed about the response I received from Tesco Personal Finance to my CCA request.
    I sent CCA request to Triton. The response came from Tesco. Their letter informed me that my request contained some misconceptions about entitlement to information. They also enclosed the following;

    General conditions leaflet
    Copy of terms and conditionsicon (states this is a copy of your agreement for you to keep, however, it has no signatures, just a generic copy)
    Copy of my original application form.
    Copy of latest statement

    With no signed credit agreement, am I right to assume that they have not complied with my request?

    Thanks, Paul

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    Default Re: Tesco Credit Card/ Triton CCA response

    With no signed credit agreement, am I right to assume that they have not complied with my request?
    Correct.

    I think Tesco have something to do with RBSicon and Natwesticon. For some reason they think they are above the law.

    Wait till there 12+2+30 days are up and when they demand payment payment and report them to T/S.

    It may be worth posting your application form on this thread to make sure it is not enforcable

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    Default Re: Tesco Credit Card/ Triton CCA response

    Thanks,will try and get my application form on here soon.

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    Default Re: Tesco Credit Card/ Triton CCA response

    If you could post both the letter and the "application" we can pass judgement...

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    Default Re: Tesco Credit Card/ Triton CCA response

    Yes, there is a connection between the two.

    Tesco Personal Finance is a joint venture between Tesco and the Royal Bank of Scotlandicon. Any collections will follow the RBS format similar to Nat West, (now part of the RBS group) of Triton, Green & Co, and then an external DCAicon. And hence the standard RBS reply about complying with S77/78 CCA requests.



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    Default Re: Tesco Credit Card/ Triton CCA response

    Thanks Dave, will post them shortly. What I do find confusing with the Application form is that top left it says 'Apply for your Tesco Credit Card today'. But top right it says 'Credit Agreement regulated by...'. Will let you have a look anyway.

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    Hope this works, letter and application;

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    Saddler try Photobucket

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    Default Re: Tesco Credit Card/ Triton CCA response

    Thanks Curlyben;


    letter
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    Let me know what you think.

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    Default Re: Tesco Credit Card/ Triton CCA response

    Saddler, thanks for that.
    Oh well I wonder if Tesco would have any misconceptions over the word UNENFORCEABLE !!!

    This is clearly an application form and as such DOESN'T contain any of the prescribed terms required for an agreement.

    Quote Originally Posted by 8.1 What are ‘prescribed terms’?

    S61(1)(a) CCA provides that, for a regulated agreement to be properly executed, it must contain all the prescribed terms of the agreement and conform to regulations under s60(1) – see Q1.14.

    Reg 6(1) provides that the terms specified in Sch 6 to the Agreements Regulations are ‘prescribed terms’ for the purposes of s61(1)(a) and s127(3) – see Q8.2.

    8.2 What if prescribed terms are missing or incorrect?

    s127(3) provides that the court may not make an enforcement order unless a document containing all the prescribed terms of the agreement was signed by the debtor – see Q1.21.

    If therefore any of the prescribed terms is missing, or incorrect, the agreement is not enforceable against the debtor, and the court is precluded from making an enforcement order.


    8.3 What are the prescribed terms?

    The prescribed terms specified in Sch 6 are as follows:

    * amount of credit – see Q8.

    * credit limit – see Q8.5
    * repayments – see Q8.9.
    * rate of interesticon – see Q8.6

    Sch 6 was not amended by the 2004 Regulations.


    Also check out Peter Bard's excellent thread on the subject: http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...ceability.html


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    Default Re: Tesco Credit Card/ Triton CCA response

    There have been a number of threads where Miss B's 'explanation' about S78 has been aired. I suspect that she (or someone in RBSicon's Legal team) has twigged that credit card applications for RBS, Nat West and the various 'associates' like Tesco where wrongly drafted and are not enforceable agreements under the CCA.
    It may be that when cases came to Court in the past, District Judges didn't look too closely, especially if debtors didn't contest the existence of the account. After the Wilson v DTI case in 2003, it is clear that the prescribed terms MUST be in the agreement; perhaps Miss B thinks bullying is a good way forward. She certainly doesn't seem to think producing a copy of the executed agreement will work!



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    Default Re: Tesco Credit Card/ Triton CCA response

    Thanks for the responses, it's what I thought but good to have some confirmation. Had another letter from Triton around the same time as the Tesco response (actually the day before) asking me to call to discuss repayment. Not sure whether to write and tell them CCA has not been complied with despite what Tesco/RBSicon may have told them, or just let the 30 days run it's course.


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    Default Re: Tesco Credit Card/ Triton CCA response

    Saddler

    Its the same responce that I got for my RBSicon and Natwesticon, even the same woman signed it.

    When you write to her to tell them its an application form you will get another standatd letter quoting the 1983 copy docs.

    I have reported her to T/S for both accounts.

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    Default Re: Tesco Credit Card/ Triton CCA response

    Hi all, sent a letter to Tesco Personal Finance yesterday, informed them that I will not be making a payment as they have not complied with my request. They now have until next Friday to provide a properly executed agreement, don't think it's going to happen!

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    Default Re: Tesco Credit Card/ Triton CCA response

    Saddler, this is very interesting for me, as I have just had EXACTLY the same letter as you from Tesco (except I am with Tesco's Debt Recovery Department) , but I was not privileged enough to get a copy of my filled in application form - I was only sent a copy of a blank application form - reduced to 20% of it's original size.

    Don't want to hijack your thread, so will post on a more general thread and give a link when that's done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WormHasTurned View Post
    Saddler, this is very interesting for me, as I have just had EXACTLY the same letter as you from Tesco (except I am with Tesco's Debt Recovery Department) , but I was not privileged enough to get a copy of my filled in application form - I was only sent a copy of a blank application form - reduced to 20% of it's original size.

    Don't want to hijack your thread, so will post on a more general thread and give a link when that's done.

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    Hi, will let you know what sort of response I get from them!

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    Default Re: Tesco Credit Card/ Triton CCA response

    Hi all, it's been a bit quiet with this one for a while, but have recently received another letter from Triton, asking me to call to discuss the outstanding amount and that it may be 'appropriate' for a debt recovery agent to call on me. Now, as the deadlines are long past, should I be reporting them to Trading Standards?

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    Default Re: Tesco Credit Card/ Triton CCA response

    Yep sound plan as they are demanding payment on an unsubstantiated debt.

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    Default Re: Tesco Credit Card/ Triton CCA response

    Cheers for the response Curlyben, I am currently having a look at others in similar situations. Some interesting reading, particularly Having A Knightmare's experiences with Trading Standards.

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