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Hello everyone, newbie here who received a pcn, from this wonderful company, last week. Thanks to some of the threads and the "sticky" here I made an initial response asking them to provide proof of their unsolicited demand for money.
True to form they've written back asking that I pay the £10 for photographic evidence and restating the validity of their right to demand money blah blah blah
Second response today, along the lines of no photo so no proof = no money and threats of Police and DVLA involvement!
We'll see how it goes
But, the reason for posting was to mention one aspect of my "notice" that's amusing to me, and check out of it's correct.
When reading the useful threads here I discovered two things, one is that there is supposed to be a note on the windscreen, which this company deny is necessary, Secondly, that if there is a way to secure the parking area from unwanted parking, it should be used.
Do readers think the gate here should have been used?
Has anyone successfully used this as a defen...sorry, deterrent?
You don't need to worry about the gate, its irrelevant. Just concentrate on the issues you have already highlighted. Now that you have sent them a further letter I wouldn't bother corresponding with them any more. Let them chase after you because at the end of the day we all know they have little chance of success, even if they went to county court
I can't see them sending the photographic evidence so that's where my communications will stop. As far as I'm concerned they've now had two requests for proof and that's as much as I need to do
True to form....they've replied but still not included any form of proof so I am now treating this as a fake demand for money and will have no further contact with the company.
Should I report them to anyone...Police, Trading Standards, DVLA (for breaking their Code)?
Excellent response....thank you for confirming my hopes! I recall reading something about informing them the issue is in dispute and will follow that course.
I hope not to trouble you in future but am very grateful for your offer
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Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd...again!
Originally Posted by wrinx
Update - just received a demand from "newlyn", who look like a debt recovery agency, demanding £238.13.
Am I right in thinking that as I have requested proof from CEL, twice, and not received any that I can ignore this demand?
Yep.
Do I contact the recovery agency and refer them back to their "employer" as there is no case, as no proof has been furnished?
Right again - the phrase to use is "the debt is in dispute and you need to refer this matter back to your client."
Can I ignore this demand anyway, as it is not via the courts; and they have no "real" powers as such, except to ask for payment?
They're debt collectors, not bailiffs, and as such have no real powers, only the ones they invent in their tiny, self-important little minds.
Presume my credit rating will be affected if I refuse to pay?
No - they have to take you to court and win for anything to go on your credit record, and only then if you don't pay the CCJ within 28 days of judgement. To take you to court, they have to present not only a legally sound argument, but a little thing called evidence, too...
Received my "Final Reminder before legal action" invoice today.
Update - just received a demand from "newlyn", who look like a debt recovery agency, demanding £238.13.
This should prove to one and all that CEL simply do not have confidence in their own authority. A sort of "do as I say or I'll.......tell you again" approach. No case, no payment and no balls!
Exactly my thoughts, they have basically offloaded their problem to someone else and will no doubt split the proceeds....well, they would if I had any intention of paying up
Very brief letter (containing the above words) has been drafted and will be sent registered post tomorrow
Received a second letter today, despite sending my reply by Registered Post (received day before this letter), they say they have had no communication from me.
They are taking the proverbial, telephoned newlyn to find out why I have a second letter, they requested my telephone number (yeah right!) and were very insistent about knowing the reason for dispute...which is none of their business as far as I'm concerned.
Told the guy I didn't expect to hear from them again and politely put the phone down while he was asking for reasons again! I will be backing this up in a letter...does anyone have some nice phrases for me to use?
Told the guy I didn't expect to hear from them again and politely put the phone down while he was asking for reasons again! I will be backing this up in a letter...does anyone have some nice phrases for me to use?
wrinx
How about "Go forth and multiply" - suitably biblical.
On a more serious note, there isn't any magical bullet to make these people go away. CEL / newlyn famous for giving multiple "final opportunities to pay". In their case I think it is best to ignore unless you get get an actual court summons [very very unlikely]
guys i received a similar letter from civil enforcement ltd few montha ago.. after reading few forums ive decided to ignore them... after the final reminder I've received a letter today saying that they are intended to take the matter to Northampton county court. It is not from newlyn. i wish i cud attach the letter here...
Anyway the letter still looks fake to me as the County Courts Act (section 69) looks like scanned and pasted into the letter. They say they will seize my vehicle/good, and many other things they can possibly do.
What shall I do? Do I continue to ignore them? It just bugging me.
Yep, still ignore them until you receive actual real, stamped court papers. Notice they alway threaten to go to Northampton county court, which just happens to be where all teh legal council PCNs are referred to the TEC.
Hi there, another newbie to this forum. My son received a Final Reminder before legal action from Civil Enforcement Ltd today. The car is registered to this address but he lives 100 miles away. It was full of threatening language although 1/ my son has no knowledge of any contravention he may have committed and 2/ this is the first we have heard of it. The letter contains no reference to what and where the contravention was and no contact number other than the payment line. It states that failure to pay within 7 days will result in issue of a county court Summons. I am obviously really stressed by this and have no idea what to do or who to take advice from. Help?
Civil Enforcement Ltd...again!
, from this wonderful company, last week. Thanks to some of the threads and the "sticky" here I made an initial response asking them to provide proof of their unsolicited demand for money.
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Originally Posted by wrinx
