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25th May 2007, 02:09
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| | Gold Account Customer | Re: Lease subject to the Unfair (contracts) Terms Act? The regs will not apply if the lease was individually negotiated; if it was aproved on your behalf by a solicitor I do not think it can be regarded as other than individually negoatiated. Even if you took a standard lease I still think you are going to be in difficulty since the regs do not apply to the level of remumeration a party receives.
If your lease is residential you may be better looking at landlord and tenant legislation. I can't point you in the right direction, but look here: BBC - Action Network - How to challenge your freeholder Residential Property Tribunal Service: Home |
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25th May 2007, 08:39
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| | Classic Account Customer | Re: Lease subject to the Unfair (contracts) Terms Act? Thanks for the response. You seem to have some knowledge here, so I will explain the situation and what I am looking for:
The leases were not individually negotiated. The flats were built between 1984 and 1986 and the lease raised in 1984 for a period of 128 years. The flats were sold as leasehold and were not meant for renting, but residential. Indeed there was/is a restriction in the lease on renting them out. In 2002 we collectively bought the freehold, which is now owned by a company which we all hold shares in. The lease was increased to 999 years.
The reason I am investigating this is, the management is run by a small group who bully anyone who stands up to them. The majority of shareholders are elderley and it is next to impossible to get support to stand up to the bullys. They have introduced a penalty charge of 10% for failure to pay the service fees, which they apply selectively and without any notice. I believe this is unlawful and am attempting to find the correct statutes. The annula service charge is usually 2500-3000.
The Leasehold reform act 2002 Section schedule 11 part 2 states ' A variable administration charge is payable only to the extent that the amount of the charge is reasonable.', but does not define ' reasonable'.
It also goes on to state ' A demand for the payment of an administration charge must be accompanied by a summary of the rights and obligations of tenants of dwellings in relation to administration charges.' I would take this to mean that they have to give notice in a prescibed format before apply a penalty charge. It is not clear to me what format this notice should take, but I would assume it is similar to a CCA default notice and should allow the leaseholder to remedy the breach before the penalty applies.
The Unfair Terms basically state the penalty should only be the costs to the freeholder of the breach. The only cost I can see is lost interest - currently pennies (I have calculated this from the total levies and the annual interest shown in the accounts).
That is as far I have got so far. Any comments or pointers elsewhere? 
__________________ If my comments have been useful please click the scales and let me know. First Direct Overdraft: CCJ won.
IR: 2 CCJs 1 won.
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25th May 2007, 16:59
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| | Gold Account Customer | Re: Lease subject to the Unfair (contracts) Terms Act? I don't think you need to rely on any statutes. The lease says (or in fact doesn't say  ) it all.
Think of a suitable orifice and tell the management to insert their penalties in it.  |
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25th May 2007, 19:21
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| | Classic Account Customer | Re: Lease subject to the Unfair (contracts) Terms Act? Quote:
Originally Posted by Aequitas Think of a suitable orifice and tell the management to insert their penalties in it.  | I would be glad to
I still have misgivings that they refer to the penalty as interest... and that there is some other statute that they can reply on. I've decided to write and ask them to explain...
Thanks again for your input... |
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6th June 2007, 23:03
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| | Gold Account Customer | Re: Lease subject to the Unfair (contracts) Terms Act? Quote:
Originally Posted by AnimalMagic 'The lease does not specifically mention interest charged on late payment of dues but under clause 3(ii) the Lessee is obliged to "pay all rates taxes duties assessments charges impositions and outgoings". | I think they have difficulty arguing that that wording justifies charging interest. There may be an argument that if they had to borrow money to cover any deficit that it can be charged to the defaulters to the extent that it arises from contributions being made late. Quote:
Originally Posted by AnimalMagic Late payment of dues results in a loss of income to the lessor who is entitled to claim such loss from the lessee. The charging of such interest is a normal and legal procedure. |
Loss of interest on a credit balance is not an outgoing since it does not relate to the maintenance of the building or any tax payable in respect of it. Even if it was, they would only be able to claim what they had lost.
The charging of interest is only normal if the lease permits it.
Ask them what their authority is for the propostion that the general law permits interest to be charged, and, if there is such authority, where it is stated what the rate is. Also ask why, if the law allows it, leases are drafted to provide for it. Quote:
Originally Posted by AnimalMagic Interest was charged on the late payment of dues by [old management co pre- purchase of freehold] and is being charged by [new freehold co]. Residents and Shareholders were notified of this regulation in the handbooks of those companies. | The fact that it has been charged before does not mean it can be charged now. As explained above, the charging of interest is not a matter that can come under regulations. |
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9th June 2007, 14:47
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