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20th March 2008, 15:45
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| | Gold Account Customer | Re: Early contract termination - dodgy contract? I think you are both equally liable for the whole rent. This is why:
1. The grant of a tenancy for three years or less does not need to be in writing.
2. Even if where a tenancy needs to be in writing, signature by the tenant is not strictly required. All that is required for the grant of a tenancy is for the landlord to make the grant and, where it needs to be in writing, for the landlord to sign. If the tenant does not sign anything to indicate acceptance of the tenancy, then the tenancy can be accepted in other ways. Taking possession and paying rent are clear indications of acceptance.
3. Since the signature of neither of you was needed, it must follow that one signature only does not change the position.
4. A power of attorney is needed to sign a deed, but not to sign a tenancy agreement not made by deed. You can sign if you have authority. However, I think it would need to be plain from the manner of signing that you were signing on behalf of yourself and your partner. Accordingly, I do not think it can be said that you are deemed to have signed on behalf of your partner, but the point is of no relevance if the circumstances point to his having accepted (with you) the tenancy.
Whatever the position, in the absence of a clear indication by the landlord or his agent, it cannot possibly be the case that you are entitled to occupy the property paying only half the rent. |
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20th March 2008, 16:01
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| | Basic Account Customer | Re: Early contract termination - dodgy contract? Thank you for the swift response  Just to dicuss it with someone seems to make me feel a little better, so thank you.
Refering to your last comment
"Whatever the position, in the absence of a clear indication by the landlord or his agent, it cannot possibly be the case that you are entitled to occupy the property paying only half the rent."
Can you please explain this in more lay terms. Are you saying that I cannot possibly expect to live in the property or be allowed to live in the property paying half the rent? As we are not living there at the moment what would the landlord have to do to "evict" me if I stopped paying altogether. Would he pursue me through the courts for unpaid monies. What are the chances of him succeeding etc.
Sorry for the rather lengthy response. You are the first person I have found who seems to know what they are taking about! Thank you.
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20th March 2008, 18:00
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| | Platinum Account Customer | Re: Early contract termination - dodgy contract? OK
I am not any type of expert in this area and i only know from what i have picked up during tenancys i have had myself.
I know when ever i have had a joint tenancy that who ever i had the tenancy with and myself have had to sign the tenancy agreement if we both moved in at the same time. If not a new tenancy agreement would not be issued but they would add that person as a member of family, like they would a child. Any responsible agent or landlord would/should have asked both of you to sign the tenancy.
Now on the rent issue.
I am sorry to say that based on my experances you are liable for the whole amount as you are the person that signed the tenancy. I know if i had left any of the tenancys or if i leave this tenancy that i had entered into then my partner or the joint tenant who had signed the agreement would have been liable for the full rent. The same would be if the joint tenant had left or my partner leaves the property i would have been/ iam liable for the whole rent.
Now the letting agent maybe rite in saying your partner has to pay his share even if he pays it to you and you then pay them. You both are mentioned on the tenancy and you both should have signed it. Now you gaining power of attorny over someone is not necessary for a tenancy in certain conditions.
I know the tenancys i have been in with my local council, of which i am in one now, says if the person or one of the tenants is under 18 then they can only sign a tenancy agreement if they have someone to sign it with them as in a support worker or someone over 18 who will be helping the tenant with things necessary. Under 18s very really get a tenancy with this council due to the high amount of problems and due to them not accepting this rule. Please remember this may have only been brought in buy my council.
The £95 you paid.
When you paid this money did you sign anything to say that would now relise you from the tenancy and that the agent/landlord could readvertise the property?
Do you have a recipt or proof you paid this money.
If you dont then you cant do anything about it. the payment if you have proof of it they can say they took it as advance part payment for january or even payment towards the debt if you dont have any proof to say that you were relised from the tenancy due to this payment.
Yes a contract can be valid with only one signature under other certian circs.
* the joint tenant was not able to sign the tenancy due to being in hospital or having surgery and the landlord unwilling to wait for the other person/ allow the tenant /travel to the hospital with the documents to sign the tenancy agreement.
* if the joint tenant is under 18 unless under the special cirscs i mentioned above relating to my council and the tenant is under 16 then.
I would advise you speak to the agent and make an agreement to pay the arrers and make a agreement to relise you from the tenancy when the arrears are paid which you get in writing. I also advise you speak to the CAB about this as they are more knowlagable then me.
Sorry i have not been more help.
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21st March 2008, 13:43
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| | Gold Account Customer | Re: Early contract termination - dodgy contract? Quote:
Originally Posted by BCH Refering to your last comment
"Whatever the position, in the absence of a clear indication by the landlord or his agent, it cannot possibly be the case that you are entitled to occupy the property paying only half the rent."
Can you please explain this in more lay terms. Are you saying that I cannot possibly expect to live in the property or be allowed to live in the property paying half the rent? . | For a landlord to agree to reduce the rent by half is so unusual and non-commercial that I think a court would need to see very clear evidence that it had been agreed. Quote:
Originally Posted by BCH As we are not living there at the moment what would the landlord have to do to "evict" me if I stopped paying altogether. | As you are not living there the tenancy is no longer an assured tenancy and so the statutory rules for termination do not apply. The landlord can, if he wishes, forfeit the tenancy by re-entry. But there is no obligation to. He can sit back and keep asking for rent. Quote:
Originally Posted by BCH Would he pursue me through the courts for unpaid monies. What are the chances of him succeeding etc | He can. I cannot see you have a defence. You agreed to pay rent for the whole term. |
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