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Old 16th January 2008, 18:24   #1 (permalink)
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Default Landlord versus tenant - end-of-lease advice needed

Please forgive me if there is, in fact, a commercial landlords/tenants forum sub-section.

It's my first time on here and just beginning to navigate....

I suspect the law as regards my question will be comparable to domestic, in any case....

I own a gym and lease the building.

My gym lease ends in 2009. A new premises locally has already been found and shaken on (mate's mate) but I have the joyous occasion known as servicing the Schedule of Dilapidations coming up.

I had a Schedule of Conditions drawn up when I took on the tenancy but the landlord refused to sign it.

He made no effort to have one drawn up.

Therefore, the condition of the building and its fabric was never mutually agreed.

Now, being a landlord, he will no doubt claim the walls were made of gold when we took the building on, and hit us with a mad Schedule of Dilapidations the moment we give notice.

I've been stressing a bit that we'll do what's right and fair but he'll try suing for stuff that never existed.

We have the original schedule WE had drawn up by a surveyor, plus copious photos, plus an ongoing servicing and repair log and schedule.

The junior surveyor we used reckons if the landlord didn't have a Schedule of Conditions done at the outset, he has caused problems for himself on the basis that if he took us to court he would have to prove his case but has no point of reference to work from.

I should add there are certain provisions in the lease contract that must be carried out at the end of the lease - ie painting the walls and ceilings any colour the landlord wants, laying new carpet, etc.

These will be done without question or objection as per the terms.

My main worries are that he'll try to say other parts of the building have dilapidated - ie roof, drainage, window frames etc when they were already part-worn and needing work when we took the lease on.

Any experienced surveyors, solicitors or even barristers have an opinion on this?

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Default Re: Landlord versus tenant - end-of-lease advice needed

The more commercial nature of your question may mean its better suited toi LandlordZONE Property Forums . I know there are a number of surveyors/solicitors on there that deal with this sort of thing.

No offence to anyone on here that knows the answer!!
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Default Re: Landlord versus tenant - end-of-lease advice needed

The other alternative is that Aequitas appears to be very knowledgeable about commerical lets. May be worth dropping him a PM to make him aware of the thread?
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Default Re: Landlord versus tenant - end-of-lease advice needed

Can you post the wording of the repairing covenant(s) in the lease?

Does it say you must keep the property in good and substantial repair and does it refer to any schedule of condition in that case?
If the covenant is not limited by way of a schedule (whether signed or not) the schedule you have is unlikely to be of much assistance.

Repairing covenants in commercial premises are not generally analagous with AST's etc.

PS If your lease ends in 2009 and you intend to vacate prior to contractual expiry there is no need to give notice - it is a courtesy but the lease will automatically end on the contractual expiry date if you no longer occupy. However, unless you agree a surrender you will have to opay rent and other outgoings as provided by the lease until 2009 whether you stay there or not.
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Can you post the wording of the repairing covenant(s) in the lease?
I have been waiting for that before commenting.
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