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Old 21st January 2008, 01:28   #41 (permalink)
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It makes it VERY obvious that the 'Lemmings' who have spent zillions of £'s on their own personal car Sat Navs are in for a HUGE shock when road pricing is eventually brought in nationally.
DON'T peeps realise that a computer tracks their whereabouts, which THEY themselves have paid for + requested??...
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Rubbish. A SatNav is a receiving device, not a transmitter.
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Rubbish. A SatNav is a receiving device, not a transmitter.
If what U believe is true, how does it know WHAT info to receive/display, if it ISN'T telling the Sat WHERE it is??...
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...Likewise the same principle applies to mobile phones...


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Lol. Dude, the unit triangulates its position on the global via signals received. The rest is simply a bit of nifty database querying.
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I agree with you re mobile phones.
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Hello all. Back in september, on my youngest daughter's 2nd day at a new school, (she is 11) she had to get the train at the last minute, to get home, due to my car breaking down. She had never been on a train before and didnt know the area she was in, and was anxious because it was getting dark. On finding the station, she asked a fellow passenger if they knew when her next train would be due, and was told it was the one just going to leave. There was a long queue for tickets and she was worried about missing the train, but she was told she could get a ticket from the conductor on the train, so she got on. Unfortunately on this trip, there was no conducter, even though there was always one on my trip up to London.When she arrived at her destination, she was stopped by the railwayman working at the station, and she tried to explain the situation, and offered him the money for her ticket, but he refused to take it saying she had to pay a £20.00 penalty fee, and put her through the ordeal of filling out a form. She was so distressed and crying when she came home, saying the man wouldnt even let her explain. I think it was an awful way to treat a child, and ok i understand they have to penalise fare dodgers, but could he not have taken into account the circumstances of the situation?
Horrible 'jobsworth' Ammani ... sadly, rail travel is not what it used to be
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I heard a barrister talking on the radio the other day who said that no one has to pay a penalty for not having a Train Ticket if a person was unable to buy one ie because there is a queue at the station or the station office was closed. the rail companies have never taken any one to court for fare dodging most people are honest it is only the minority otherwise why wasn't mrs C Blair charged.
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I heard a barrister talking on the radio the other day who said that no one has to pay a penalty for not having a Train Ticket if a person was unable to buy one ie because there is a queue at the station or the station office was closed. the rail companies have never taken any one to court for fare dodging most people are honest it is only the minority otherwise why wasn't mrs C Blair charged.
Precisely what I was refering to in my post #13 at the beginning of this thread!! I'll bet the barrister you listened to was the Richard Colbey of the article ...
I think if you read what was said, MTM and Castlebest were explaining that these are Penalty Fares as opposed to Penalty Charges and supposedly enforceable by rail byelaw. HOWEVER, I'm with the Barrister on the very specific point he makes ...
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So am I he made quite a lot of sense. I think the Barrister was quoting Martin Lewis.

Here's the article, for anyone in doubt
Ticket to ride roughshod over passengers



First it was the banks. Now train companies are boosting profits by charging huge penalties. Miles Brignall reports

Saturday April 22, 2006
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Train companies are bullying passengers into paying expensive penalty fares for being on the wrong train - even though in many cases the mistake is down to their own staff.
Last week the train companies were criticised by passenger groups for having impossibly complicated fare structures. It now appears they are hiding behind these tariffs to impose severe penalty fares on anyone taking the wrong train, in some cases amounting to £100 or more.




So no difference to the banks then!!!

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I heard a barrister talking on the radio the other day who said that no one has to pay a penalty for not having a Train Ticket if a person was unable to buy one ie because there is a queue at the station or the station office was closed.
I heard a newsreader talking on the radio the other day who said that Aliens had landed on Earth!...




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...the rail companies have never taken any one to court for fare dodging
??...Oh right...I suppose I must have dreamt MY Court visits as a prosecution witness then eh??...




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...most people are honest it is only the minority otherwise why wasn't mrs C Blair charged.
Mrs C Blair paid the Penalty Fare Charge BEFORE Court proceedings were instigated...
BBC News | EUROPE | Ticketless Mrs Blair fined for
BBC News | UK POLITICS | PM's wife pays penalty fare
BBC News | UK | Tickets please: Fair's fare
BBC News | UK | Your job's worth more than you are


Methinks someone shouldn't wander too far from mummykins!...


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Cr*p link provided by above Poster...

Methinks THIS one is much more preferable...


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Ah yes, THAT link to the truth of the matter works MUCH better lol

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I heard a newsreader talking on the radio the other day who said that Aliens had landed on Earth!...

Oh no, it's the end of the world. :o Naughty rail travellers who have HAD ENOUGH and have the TEMERITY to rebel against the omnipotent rail companies are refusing en masse (c'mon folks, join me do!!) to pay ....

penalty fares ....

because the services provided on stations fall short of customer expectations and professional stadards

.... blimey


??...Oh right...I suppose I must have dreamt MY Court visits as a prosecution witness then eh??...

Dream a little dream ...



Mrs C Blair paid the Penalty Fare Charge BEFORE Court proceedings were instigated...
BBC News | EUROPE | Ticketless Mrs Blair fined for
BBC News | UK POLITICS | PM's wife pays penalty fare
BBC News | UK | Tickets please: Fair's fare
BBC News | UK | Your job's worth more than you are

She was hiding behind her newdpaper, 'cos, like the Queen, she never carries money with her !!!


Methinks someone shouldn't wander too far from mummykins!...


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Penalty fares are meant to discourage and prevent fare evasion ....
Then why is it that it is more likely to be suits and women that get done?

The answer is that most RPI's now work on their own (a "commercial" decision by the railway co). So if you are a scroat who threatens violence, the advice is just to get them to write their name and address on your pad (whether false or not) so other customers see you doing something then move onto an easier target. The railway co do not want staff to "put themselves at risk".
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