Transport police

[Pen]

Hi everyone, just thought i would let you all know the outcome since you were all kind enough to help and advice us.

My son attended court but since he had to go on his own I advised him to go early and speak to the duty solicitor, which he did. He also had a letter from the doctor and was pleading not guilty.
The duty Sol did not think he needed representing but agreed to do it, whilst he was waiting to go into the court room a further 10 cases turned up all with the same charge also there was a lot of press officers around waiting for the outcome. The case was heard in a closed hearing, my son did not have to go into the court the solicitor negotiated a £30 fine and a reprimand for all of the cases which me son and the majority of others excepted One person however refused and his case has been adjourned.
I can't remember how a reprimand works i think its held on your record for a year if you get another one it then becomes a caution??? not sure but he will not have to declare it as a conviction which was his main concern and he won't have it on his records for 5 yrs. it was more economical to except the £30 fine the have to loss another days pay at a hearing.

Thanks everyone for all your help.

[Pen]

Hi everyone.
I need a bit more help with this.

My son attended the court on the 23rd OCt and an out of court settlement was reached whereby my son pays £30 to Merseyrail and a reprimand. OK we sent a cheque in the post for the £30 and thought that was the end of the matter.

The other day he received a letter from Merseyrail saying he did not pay the out of court settlement of £50.00 nor did he turn up on the 29th Oct for a reprimand.

The have know set a new date with the court for the 15th January for the case to be reheard.

My son has received no letter from the court as regards this hearing.

I can only assume they did not get the £30 cheque due to the postal strike at the time. but he say there was no way he would agree to attend their office for a reprimand as he would have to take time of work which he would be unable to do.

I am know in the process of sending them a replacement cheque for the 30.00. What else can we do. Dose he have to attend court again without notification from the courts.

any help would be appreciated please.

Thanks Pen

[The GodMother]

Dopes your son have any evidence that he turned up in court like a parking recipt or coffee recipt?

Also did he check in to court? as they would be able to say that he turned up, also the fact that he spoke to the duty solicitor is good as the duty solicitor shold have made notes for files and that would have/should have included the case number and defendant name including the claimts details.

I would advise you contact the courts regarding this as there should be some notes on this matter. Even if it is in court notes which say defendants attended.

Regarding the cheque. Has it been cashed? if so there is the evidence that it was paid and it was paid at the court agreed amount. If not i would advise you cancel the cheque.

I would advise you also contact the court regarding the amount your son was due to pay as there seems to be a discrepency over the amount. There will be court notes regarding this and what it is best to do is ask the courts to send you documentary evidence of what was said in court regarding the fine and repramand. You may need the case number for this or just the dates and details if the case number is not available.

[Pen]

Hi God mother, don't know whatsbhappening here looks like Cags not working to great.

anyway good idea, yes he did attend court hence the duty sol so court should have all the details, I will contact them on Monday when they open.

Thanks again
Pen

Originally Posted by The GodMother

Dopes your son have any evidence that he turned up in court like a parking recipt or coffee recipt?

Also did he check in to court? as they would be able to say that he turned up, also the fact that he spoke to the duty solicitor is good as the duty solicitor shold have made notes for files and that would have/should have included the case number and defendant name including the claimts details.

I would advise you contact the courts regarding this as there should be some notes on this matter. Even if it is in court notes which say defendants attended.

Regarding the cheque. Has it been cashed? if so there is the evidence that it was paid and it was paid at the court agreed amount. If not i would advise you cancel the cheque.

I would advise you also contact the court regarding the amount your son was due to pay as there seems to be a discrepency over the amount. There will be court notes regarding this and what it is best to do is ask the courts to send you documentary evidence of what was said in court regarding the fine and repramand. You may need the case number for this or just the dates and details if the case number is not available.

[MilkTrayMan]

My thoughts are with the poor unfortunate passenger who would have to sit on a seat that had had someone else's feet on it.
God knows what a person has trodden on beforehand?!...

Zero tolerance is what is needed with the youth of today!
A total disrespect + lack of concern for other people is endemic in modern society.
I believe that the fault firmly lies on the shoulders of the parents.
It is all too easy to blame teachers or the government.

In a case like this, it is simply BAD MANNERS.
The person involved deserves having the full weight of the law thrown against him, to serve as an deterrent to others...

If not, what would it be the NEXT time??
Grafitti??...Vandalism??...Fare Dodging??...or EVEN WORSE??
Perhaps the shock of a conviction would nip his anti-social activity in the bud, before it escalates further?!
It could actually be beneficial to him in the long term!!...

[The GodMother]

Pen.

I have PM'd PT2537 to have a look at this thread as he my be able to help u with what notes the court ill keep etc. He may also be able to legally advise you on a few things in post 23.

he should give you a hand soon.

Chrissi

[The GodMother]

Originally Posted by MilkTrayMan

My thoughts are with the poor unfortunate passenger who would have to sit on a seat that had had someone else's feet on it.
God knows what a person has trodden on beforehand?!...

Zero tolerance is what is needed with the youth of today!
A total disrespect + lack of concern for other people is endemic in modern society.
I believe that the fault firmly lies on the shoulders of the parents.
It is all too easy to blame teachers or the government.

In a case like this, it is simply BAD MANNERS.
The person involved deserves having the full weight of the law thrown against him, to serve as an deterrent to others...

If not, what would it be the NEXT time??
Grafitti??...Vandalism??...Fare Dodging??...or EVEN WORSE??
Perhaps the shock of a conviction would nip his anti-social activity in the bud, before it escalates further?!
It could actually be beneficial to him in the long term!!...

I am assuming you have read the whole thread but as you will notice this persons son has a medical condition which means he needs to keep his leg elivated. If not you would more than likely be moaning that the guy is claiming your tax money.

[MilkTrayMan]

Originally Posted by The GodMother

I am assuming you have read the whole thread but as you will notice this persons son has a medical condition which means he needs to keep his leg elivated. If not you would more than likely be moaning that the guy is claiming your tax money.

Yes I HAVE read the whole Thread thank U.

The person would be keeping his leg elevated whilst walking would he??
Could the person not have anticipated his condition + have took with him an inflatable 'stool' or the like??

No doubt the cost of any prosecution would far out way any recompense that OUR country would receive back from the 'alleged' criminal.
However, the law is the law...PERIOD.
...It is there to protect the innocent majority from the mindless + inconsiderate minority!...

Just like the law is there to protect US from being ripped off by Banks etc...

[pt2537]

Originally Posted by MilkTrayMan

My thoughts are with the poor unfortunate passenger who would have to sit on a seat that had had someone else's feet on it. BUT YOU SIT ON A SEAT THATS HAD SOMEONE ELSES AR$E ON IT< ID BE MORE WORRIED ABOUT THAT THEN SOMEONES FEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!
God knows what a person has trodden on beforehand?!...

Zero tolerance is what is needed with the youth of today!
A total disrespect + lack of concern for other people is endemic in modern society.
I believe that the fault firmly lies on the shoulders of the parents.
It is all too easy to blame teachers or the government.

In a case like this, it is simply BAD MANNERS. HMM YEAH WHEN HAS BAD MANNERS BEEN A CRIMINAL OFFENCE DESERVING OF THE FULL WEIGHT OF THE LAW BEING USED? . OH PLEASE
The person involved deserves having the full weight of the law thrown against him, to serve as an deterrent to others...

If not, what would it be the NEXT time??
Grafitti??...Vandalism??...Fare Dodging??...or EVEN WORSE??
Perhaps the shock of a conviction would nip his anti-social activity in the bud, before it escalates further?!
It could actually be beneficial to him in the long term!!...

Come on MTM, this isn't very helpful now is it. the fact is yeah the lad had his feet on a chair, but he suffers from arthritis and put his feet up possibly to alleviate the pain he is probably a very nice lad and i dont see any reference to this boy being a persistent pain or repeat offender

i dont disagree with you that society has gone soft but there must be proportionality with things, if this guy had mugged an old lady or committed an wanton act of criminal damage then yes the full weight of the law should be used but hey he put his foot up on a chair

[pt2537]

pen,

i will ponder this over the weekend and see what i can come up with, i will reread this thread in the morning as im a little tired so i will see what i can suggest then

[MilkTrayMan]

pt2537...

Smoking on a Railway Platform has become an offence, even on a small halt in Wales or the highlands of Scotland.

However absurd U, me, or others may view things, the law is the law!
Rather than try to prevent a conviction, perhaps thought would be better put as to how to have such draconian laws repealed??

[pt2537]

its still an offence in england to eat a mince pie on Christmas day too there are many absurd laws in england

the law should be applied proportionately too so the punishment should fit the crime

however, if there is a defence available to this lad he has the right to use it to defend himself

there is a principle in English law of the presumption of innocence until proven guilty before a court of law

it is my contention that if there is a defence available to this boy he should be entitled to it and therefore i will if possible to do so help him

[MilkTrayMan]

It is extremely hard to argue with video evidence.
Perhaps there was a bit of 'attitude' that came just before the the officer decided to act??

It is often the case that a 1st warning is given in 'minor' transgressions by the 'on the spot' officer...

[sequenci]

MTM there is a wonderful word called discretion.