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    • The Notice to Hirer does not comply with the protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule  4 . This is before I ask if Europarks have sent you a copy of the PCN they sent to Arval along with a copy of the hire agreement et. if they haven't done that either you are totally in the clear and have nothing to worry about and nothing to pay. The PCN they have sent you is supposed to be paid by you according to the Act within 21 days. The chucklebuts have stated 28 days which is the time that motorists have to pay. Such a basic and simple thing . The Act came out in 2012 and still they cannot get it right which is very good news for you. Sadly there is no point in telling them- they won't accept it because they lose their chance to make any money out of you. they are hoping that by writing to you demanding money plus sending in their  unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors that you might be so frightened as to pay them money so that you can sleep at night. Don't be surprised if some of their letters are done in coloured crayons-that's the sort of  level of people you will be dealing with. Makes great bedding for the rabbits though. Euro tend not to be that litigious but while you can safely ignore the debt collectors just keep an eye out for a possible Letter of Claim. They are pretty rare but musn't be ignored. Let us know so that you can send a suitably snotty letter to them showing that you are not afraid of them and are happy to go to Court as you like winning.  
    • They did reply to my defence stating it would fail and enclosed copies of NOA, DN Term letter and account statements. All copies of T&C's that could be reconstructions and the IP address on there resolves to the town where MBNA offices are, not my location
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    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
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In April 2004 I was driving to Bolton to see my family as i live at the other end of the country.

My girlfriend was going to London to see her Mother at a hospital up there and was going to get the National Express.

 

 

I said as i will be going near London i will drop you off just inside London and you can get the underground to the Hospital.

When we got to London we got diverted due to road works and got lost.

 

 

I dropped my girlfriend off and started to try and find my way out of London.

I must of entered the Congestion Zone though i didnt know it or anything about it at the time and finally managed to get my way back on the M25.

 

 

There was no reason why i should of gone in the Congestion Zone in the first place other than getting lost and hence didnt really think anything of it.

 

 

I then went up to Bolton and after

 

 

a week got home to find a PNC for driving in the Congestion Zone.

I thought :eek: come on i wasn't even suppose to go in there and they want £40 for a £5 day pass if i had of paid.

 

 

in went my appeal as i felt unjust in getting this on the basis of

1, didnt know about the CC

2, Got diverted which got me lost off my track which made me end up having to go in there when there was no need.

there were other factors which i can find but dont want to bore you.

 

Well about a month later got a letter saying your appeal was unsuccessful.

If you want to appeal to an independant person you can.

i did again appeal in May and heard nothing back from them.

 

Then come November 2005 a knock on the door from a baliff while i was up in Bolton again and the girlfriend answered the door. They have come to sieze goods if i dont pay the £260 odd pound for the fine. :eek:

 

Gets straight home from Bolton which was 300 Miles to sort it out and rang up the congestion people.

They said your appeal was unsuccessful in Feb 2005 and you were issued with the £40 fine and if you dont pay it up it goes 2 weeks later to £80 and so on.

 

 

Well i didnt recieve this that the appeal lost

 

 

off to the county court to issue an out of time declaration on the basis i didnt receive the appeal decision.

They turned that down i went further with it to the courts who upheld my out of time declaration.

 

now i am thinking i have lost my appeal on having to pay(Which i think is wrong)

but hey ok after all this hassle i will pay the £40..

 

 

Rings up the Congestion people to pay and they say sorry we not recieved the papers back yet from the court to say you won your appeal and even so the fine is now £80.

 

EH???

rings up again in June (two months later)

sorry still not received the papers.

 

 

i contact Northampton and they say yes we have sent them the papers about your out of time declaration being successful.

 

 

can you resend them to them please. Yes no problem.

 

Then last week gets a notice through the door from CC

i have to pay £120 immediately. :( what is going on.

 

 

Contacts them again and they say they still not received the papers. :-x

 

 

Can you contact them again and ask them to resend them back out.

 

 

I said go do it yourselves.

Why do i have to be the middle man in all this going back and fourth.

You contact them they will tell you directly problem solved.

No they wont do that i have to contact them.

Told them to stick it and i will see if i can take them to court over this hassle.

 

This is now over 2 years over a paultry £5 which i didnt think i should of got and should of won on an appeal.

 

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Hi

 

You could try contacting 'Citizens Advice'. What you really need is a solicitor or at least proper legal advice, but beware, you are dealing with an organisation that in my opinion is totally autocratic. A fly in a spider's web has more chance of escape than someone caught by the congestion charge.

If you live outside London and are not familiar with the way the scheme operates, then avoid driving into the city. There are no toll booths, no clear warning signs, no information for innocent visiting strangers, just cameras. Not like speed cameras, painted yellow which are more often than not preceded by roadsigns with pictures of a camera or even large worded warning signs.

We talk about unfair bank charges. The way Congestion charging operates is to my mind, nothing short of legalised extortion - unfair, unscrupulous and loathesome. You are given six different grounds for appeal. No other 'excuse' is accepted. Retrospective payment is not accepted but the longer it is before you ultimately pay, due to appeals etc, the more you are likely to have to pay.

The hub-centre is based I think, in Coventry. Phoning them up, they don't want to know! It's up to you to know about the scheme and pay up before you use it.

I already feel sorry for those people going to the Olympic Games who will get stung. Bet Seb Ccoe didn't include that in the promotion blurb and boy oh boy, will that add to the congestion. I bet they can't wait!

My daughter's group had done a gig in Islington, the last but one of 25 over 30 nights supporting The Fall on their British Tour. They were shattered and rather than drive back to Manchester through the night, they booked into a hotel in King's Cross. Leaving at 7-30am next morning, they were caught on camera leaving!!!! London at 7-55am. They never saw the camera or anything else warning them. First they knew was 3 weeks later.

Be careful that you are not throwing good money after bad. I really sympathise with what you have gone through but whilst I appreciate the problem of traffic congestion, in my opinion, their present charge scheme is unfair, makes a mockery of traditional British justice and should be scrapped.

 

PeterG

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