Private Parking Companies/Charges - Advice Paper (everything you need to know)

[borth1967]

Had a recent incident were i visited my local chemist/ G.P. and tried to parked on free car park but no spaces, had no choice but to park in Disabled bay. Ran into get prescriptions and out again in 4 mins, can back to Penalty Notice Charge on my windscreen from an attendant. They want £90 and then up £120 after 7 days ( nearly up now) and further threats of increased debt, bayliffs, civil action and my info from DVLA.I understand i should not of parked there, but i don't like being bullied or threatened by anyone.

Should i pay up or just fight the fight?

Jon

[battyboomboom]

Assuming it's a private car park:

Pay up if you like.

But personally, if I was handed an invoice for a non-existant debt that proported to be an official document, I would:

a) not pay
b) not write to them
c) report them to police, stating they have committed numerous offences under s40 Administration of Justice Act 1970 and the Fraud Act 2006, and once you receive a letter from them you will have an even stronger case for the police as they will have committed a further offence.

Don't worry

[interesting]

Originally Posted by battyboomboom

Assuming it's a private car park:

Pay up if you like.

But personally, if I was handed an invoice for a non-existant debt that proported to be an official document, I would:

a) not pay
b) not write to them
c) report them to police, stating they have committed numerous offences under s40 Administration of Justice Act 1970 and the Fraud Act 2006, and once you receive a letter from them you will have an even stronger case for the police as they will have committed a further offence.

Don't worry

What offences have they *the ticketing company) comitted, as you havent seen the ticket/signs or similar I would like to know how you know they have done anything wrong.
They have issued a civil parking charge on private land to a person parked, we presume, somewhere the signs state he should not have been and he has been issued an invoice.
The invoice/ticket I presume states that could happen if he doesnt pay, CCJ, Bailiffs etc.. - This is factual not an offence.
I would also like to know how you feel the Fraud Act 2006 comes into play with this, I think you have been listening too much to a certain 'advisor in criminal law' - a little knowledge is VERY DANGEROUS especially when giving advice to people (btw what exactly is an advisor in criminal law ... but thats another subject, forget I asked).
If they have broken the law then it should be investigated, but it would be best to advise the poster once you have seen the ticket rather than telling them to contact the police for potentially nothing.

[legaladviser]

Good to see Pete's email is back in the sticky. Clearly the mods have relented despite pressure from our host of pro-PPC trolls.

[petej2811]

Originally Posted by interesting

What offences have they *the ticketing company) comitted, as you havent seen the ticket/signs or similar I would like to know how you know they have done anything wrong.
They have issued a civil parking charge on private land to a person parked, we presume, somewhere the signs state he should not have been and he has been issued an invoice.
The invoice/ticket I presume states that could happen if he doesnt pay, CCJ, Bailiffs etc.. - This is factual not an offence.
I would also like to know how you feel the Fraud Act 2006 comes into play with this, I think you have been listening too much to a certain 'advisor in criminal law' - a little knowledge is VERY DANGEROUS especially when giving advice to people (btw what exactly is an advisor in criminal law ... but thats another subject, forget I asked).
If they have broken the law then it should be investigated, but it would be best to advise the poster once you have seen the ticket rather than telling them to contact the police for potentially nothing.

Does anyone have two bits of wood and some nails?

Look as S.2 Fraud Act 2006. It is explained well here - Fraud Act 2006 - CrimeLine (explained in simple language too)

You never seem to understand when I explain things to you, lack of intellect or effort, I know not... I can't be bothered to explain as my explanations always seem wasted but suffice to say this legislation covers the situation nicely.

A little knowledge, as you say, is dangerous, which would explain the displeasure the populous at large here have in noticing you trying to advise people to pay parking invoices. What are your qualifications, may one ask?

PJ

[interesting]

This is like pulling teeth.

BattyBoom stated "c) report them to police, stating they have committed numerous offences under s40 Administration of Justice Act 1970 and the Fraud Act 2006, and once you receive a letter from them you will have an even stronger case for the police as they will have committed a further offence"

In response to the original post by Borth1967 that read "Had a recent incident were i visited my local chemist/ G.P. and tried to parked on free car park but no spaces, had no choice but to park in Disabled bay. Ran into get prescriptions and out again in 4 mins, can back to Penalty Notice Charge on my windscreen from an attendant. They want £90 and then up £120 after 7 days ( nearly up now) and further threats of increased debt, bayliffs, civil action and my info from DVLA.I understand i should not of parked there, but i don't like being bullied or threatened by anyone."

My question, if you had taken time to read it was "What offences have they *the ticketing company) comitted, as you havent seen the ticket/signs or similar I would like to know how you know they have done anything wrong"

No person can state "they have committed numerous offences under s40 Administration of Justice Act 1970 and the Fraud Act 2006, " without seeing the said document.

Well, except you and the other PePiPoo people.

This is YET another example of you not reading fully the question and giving your 'qualified advice', which is quite frankly, sometimes very wide of the target.

[battyboomboom]

Originally Posted by interesting

In response to the original post by Borth1967 that read "Had a recent incident were i visited my local chemist/ G.P. and tried to parked on free car park but no spaces, had no choice but to park in Disabled bay. Ran into get prescriptions and out again in 4 mins, can back to Penalty Notice Charge on my windscreen from an attendant. They want £90 and then up £120 after 7 days ( nearly up now) and further threats of increased debt, bayliffs, civil action and my info from DVLA.I understand i should not of parked there, but i don't like being bullied or threatened by anyone."

If you call something a PCN and demand money fraudulantly then you commit an offence!!!

[petej2811]

Originally Posted by interesting

This is like pulling teeth.

BattyBoom stated "c) report them to police, stating they have committed numerous offences under s40 Administration of Justice Act 1970 and the Fraud Act 2006, and once you receive a letter from them you will have an even stronger case for the police as they will have committed a further offence"

I see the logic here. Don't you?

Originally Posted by interesting

In response to the original post by Borth1967 that read "Had a recent incident were i visited my local chemist/ G.P. and tried to parked on free car park but no spaces, had no choice but to park in Disabled bay. Ran into get prescriptions and out again in 4 mins, can back to Penalty Notice Charge on my windscreen from an attendant. They want £90 and then up £120 after 7 days ( nearly up now) and further threats of increased debt, bayliffs, civil action and my info from DVLA.I understand i should not of parked there, but i don't like being bullied or threatened by anyone."

That all sounds fair beyond the chap being invoiced for the above mentioned figures.

Originally Posted by interesting

My question, if you had taken time to read it was "What offences have they *the ticketing company) comitted, as you havent seen the ticket/signs or similar I would like to know how you know they have done anything wrong"

They are sending people demands for money making false representations to so achieve. I don't read. Pot, kettle, black? Read the legislation or get an adult to read it to you, ask for an explanation and try to imagine how the wording of the offence fits the circumstances.

Originally Posted by interesting

No person can state "they have committed numerous offences under s40 Administration of Justice Act 1970 and the Fraud Act 2006, " without seeing the said document.

Well, except you and the other PePiPoo people.

Of course they can. You ask for money, making false representations to so achieve and you commit a crime. The concept is not difficult. Try to close your eyes and imagine the words and how they relate to real life scenarios.

Originally Posted by interesting

This is YET another example of you not reading fully the question and giving your 'qualified advice', which is quite frankly, sometimes very wide of the target.

So you claim but only one of us here does this for a living so given your questionable motives and qualifications I would imagine the membership to be safer in the hands of this idiot than you! You don;t understand these simple legal concepts, you don't appear to understand how to relate circumstances to the wordings of offences. You don't appear to research things which would help you understand. I can't be responsible for these shortcomings. There comes a point where you must be responsible for your own learning. Most people read up on the legal topics before posting here. I suggest you spend time so doing over the weekend.



PJ

[HSBCrusher]

I understand that these debates can become rather "passionate" shall we say, but please keep the discussion civil.

[Alianmid]

I am not a lawyer and I make no claim to expertise, but I can read and I have a modicum of intelligence - I have been studying the Fraud act 2006 Section 2 Fraud by false representation - and in support of Pete it looks clear enough to me. I have also been looking at the Theft act 1968 section 21 - Which gives a definition of Blackmail and that is very clear also - Looking at some cases on these threads it would appear that some (not all) PPC's are sailing very close to the wind on that one also.

[todd58]

just got ticketed 2day by ppc wish us well we dont intend to pay

[Alianmid]

Originally Posted by todd58

just got ticketed 2day by ppc wish us well we dont intend to pay

Follow the "Sticky" Threads and use the template letters - You will be fine. Bon chance.

[interesting]

Originally Posted by todd58

just got ticketed 2day by ppc wish us well we dont intend to pay

Go for it.. you rebel !!

[interesting]

wrong thread !!

[turkey]

I know its old but what happend. i had a Notice come thru last night for £80 as i stayed over 2hrs. i didnt see any signs.they say they have video evidence? can i ask for a copy of this? are they breaching my human rights? any suggestions?

[Lilo72]

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