please help re: speeding tickets

[sequenci]

both my parents have no points on their licence currently.

they both caught speeding at 5.30am nr swindon on the a419 (they think that is the road!)

there were roadworks, with the restrictions @ 40mph

they were following each other down to their holiday in cornwall.

my mum got caught @ 53
my dad @ 60something

would any of you kind folks know what they would be in for?

my dad needs his licence as he drives for a living.

nice one

david

[fenwoman]

If your dad needs his licence, why on earth would he deliberately put it in jeopardy by by doing 20 MPH over the legal speed limit?
I have never understand why people drive in such a manner as to risk their licence and then whine that they need the licence for work. If it is important, don't risk it surely? I'm afraid your parents will have to live with the fine and points and regard it as a lesson learned.

[JonCris]

sequenci
How where they caught fixed camera? Also if they where following each other how come if one was clocked doing 53mph & the other 60 something. Either one was losing the other or about to run into the back of the other

Can you give a bit more info?

[sequenci]

Originally Posted by fenwoman

If your dad needs his licence, why on earth would he deliberately put it in jeopardy by by doing 20 MPH over the legal speed limit?
I have never understand why people drive in such a manner as to risk their licence and then whine that they need the licence for work. If it is important, don't risk it surely? I'm afraid your parents will have to live with the fine and points and regard it as a lesson learned.

i'm not sure he realised the restrictions at the time... usually the limit on that aprt of the road is 70.

it's a fixed camera

i think my mum (who was following) clocked dad getting flashed and theirfore slowed down (but still got clocked also)

[dw190]

There is a minefield of ways to proceed but they will need time patience and bottle.

Have a look here PePiPoo: Helping the motorist to get justice

[brechiner]

Originally Posted by sequenci

i'm not sure he realised the restrictions at the time... usually the limit on that aprt of the road is 70.

it's a fixed camera

i think my mum (who was following) clocked dad getting flashed and theirfore slowed down (but still got clocked also)

In my experience of speed cameras (49 flashes) and a few threats through the post I phone the office concerned when I received the reminder stating that I had not received the form, then every three weeks I would call and ask for the form, blaming poor stste of the post etc. Everytime I requested the form to be sent registered post and I made sure notes were put on their system and after four or five months they always gave up as I said it hadn't arrived (they could never prove it unless it was sent registered post) and I was being perceived as 'honest' because I would phone them for the form. It works for me every time. I am not a prolifigate speeder and I think 49 flashes in 1.2 million miles isn't bad.

[fenwoman]

Brechiner, why don't you just drive within the legal speed limit?
I used to be a sales rep clocking up many thousands of miles a year and never got a ticket. In 25 years of driving I have never once had a speeding ticket. I simply keep within the limits because I think it is anti social to speed. The limits are there for a reason and I for one could never forgive myself if I killed someone's pet or child because I disregarded speed limits. Surely it isn't that hard to keep within the limits?

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[zoltron]

I might be totally wrong but if it is their first speeding offence, they will get away with a £60 fine, and maybe the option of taking 3 points or attending a speed awareness course in the county where they were flashed.

[sequenci]

Originally Posted by zoltron

I might be totally wrong but if it is their first speeding offence, they will get away with a £60 fine, and maybe the option of taking 3 points or attending a speed awareness course in the county where they were flashed.

i hope this is the case!

after all they have over 60 years of driving with no points ever!

[JonCris]

Originally Posted by sequenci

i hope this is the case!

after all they have over 60 years of driving with no points ever!

Sad as it is they shouldn't really worry because very soon the way things are going we wont be able to walk to our cars, never mind drive them, without committing some sort of offence

[brechiner]

Originally Posted by fenwoman

Brechiner, why don't you just drive within the legal speed limit?
I used to be a sales rep clocking up many thousands of miles a year and never got a ticket. In 25 years of driving I have never once had a speeding ticket. I simply keep within the limits because I think it is anti social to speed. The limits are there for a reason and I for one could never forgive myself if I killed someone's pet or child because I disregarded speed limits. Surely it isn't that hard to keep within the limits?

Firstly, over 90% of flashes were in road works at night when there were very little traffic if any on the road,
secondly, you are doing more environmental damage driving within the speed limit at 40 then at 51, which was the speed when I was flashed. I wasn't going way over and when I have a deadline from S London to Glasgow, via P'boro, Leicester, Manchester, Scotch Corner and Hamilton before reaching Glasgow. and there are spurious speed restrictions, which should be there when the traffic is heavy and or when people are working, on sections of road when no one is working. I would have loved to do the trip on public transport but I would have to double or triple the time taken and the ability to take about 4,000 magazines is also a little tricky

[dw190]

Originally Posted by zoltron

I might be totally wrong but if it is their first speeding offence, they will get away with a £60 fine, and maybe the option of taking 3 points or attending a speed awareness course in the county where they were flashed.

Speed awareness courses are only offered to people who exceeded the limit by the trigger speed + a maximum of 3mph.

In a 40 (Trigger Speed 46) zone that would be 47,48 & 49 but not guaranteed.

[Darrylles]

fenwoman: have you been involved in a speed related accident? Do you 'hover' here in order to gloat over people who have been caught speeding? Do you get a kick out of doing so?

I say this, because you have in no way, shape or form answered Sequenci's question; you have simply provided your 'judgement' of a freely described event.

I would also like to question your logic:

"deliberately put it in jeopardy by doing 20 MPH over the legal speed limit?"
How on earth do you know that he was DELIBERATELY driving at this speed?
(People DO have moments of lack of concentration).

"drive in such a manner as to risk their licence and then whine that they need the licence for work"
Sequenci is the person commenting about his/her father. Sequenci's father is not here "whining", so who do you refer to as "whining"?

You then proceed to tell Sequenci what his/her parents should do on a personal mental level (which I'm sure they will do without your deep, inspirational advice) without ever referring to the only question that Sequenci asks!

You simply 'went off on one' regarding something that bears no relation to the simple question put to you!

If you are going to respond to thread's, then RESPOND TO THE QUESTION ASKED WITHIN THREADS.

In a later response, you state that "speed limits are there for a reason". You do not state what that reason is.
The 'reason' is: to fill government coffers.
Since the implementation of speed-cameras: road-deaths have increased massively - official. This is due to the retraction of Police monitoring because speed-cameras 'allegedley' cover this now.
If you really believe that speed-limits are imposed for any other reason than to take even more tax from the population, then you need to gain some life experience.
If taxing car drivers in such a way has increased road-deaths, what will it take to convince someone like you?

Sequenci, I'm afraid that consistently safe drivers like your parents (who are not really high earners - no doubt) are going to be hit hardest, because their earnings aren't enough to be able to save their licenses by buying their way past the British legal system (in line with Yank law).

Brechner, your process sounds realistic, but it isn't clear. You receive a threatening letter re: caught by camera - you then do what?

ATB

Darrylles

[zoltron]

I have a belief that some people are less fortunate than others and are always on the receiving of bad luck, and it not just because they do wrong in life. We are ALL only human after all, some drivers speed without realising, others fall asleep at the wheel

I have a road close to where I live, there were 2 people killed in 18 months before the council installed 2 Gatsos, now since the Gatsos were installed almost 30 months have passed, and 6 people killed. The last accident didn't result in death but did involve a police car. 2 months ago after constant pressure the cameras were removed.

So what does this tell us, it tells us the same story as the rest of the country speed cameras don't save lives, they help end them.

For someone to post on here and claim they have never "accidentaly" done 35 in a 30 is a liar, even your average "flat cap sunday driver" has broken the speed limit at least once in his 75 years of driving. This government is out to steal every last penny from us in stealth taxes, to fund its evil agenda.

[JonCris]

Originally Posted by Darrylles

fenwoman: have you been involved in a speed related accident? Do you 'hover' here in order to gloat over people who have been caught speeding? Do you get a kick out of doing so?

I say this, because you have in no way, shape or form answered Sequenci's question; you have simply provided your 'judgement' of a freely described event.

I would also like to question your logic:

"deliberately put it in jeopardy by doing 20 MPH over the legal speed limit?"
How on earth do you know that he was DELIBERATELY driving at this speed?
(People DO have moments of lack of concentration).

"drive in such a manner as to risk their licence and then whine that they need the licence for work"
Sequenci is the person commenting about his/her father. Sequenci's father is not here "whining", so who do you refer to as "whining"?

You then proceed to tell Sequenci what his/her parents should do on a personal mental level (which I'm sure they will do without your deep, inspirational advice) without ever referring to the only question that Sequenci asks!

You simply 'went off on one' regarding something that bears no relation to the simple question put to you!

If you are going to respond to thread's, then RESPOND TO THE QUESTION ASKED WITHIN THREADS.

In a later response, you state that "speed limits are there for a reason". You do not state what that reason is.
The 'reason' is: to fill government coffers.
Since the implementation of speed-cameras: road-deaths have increased massively - official. This is due to the retraction of Police monitoring because speed-cameras 'allegedley' cover this now.
If you really believe that speed-limits are imposed for any other reason than to take even more tax from the population, then you need to gain some life experience.
If taxing car drivers in such a way has increased road-deaths, what will it take to convince someone like you?

Sequenci, I'm afraid that consistently safe drivers like your parents (who are not really high earners - no doubt) are going to be hit hardest, because their earnings aren't enough to be able to save their licenses by buying their way past the British legal system (in line with Yank law).

Brechner, your process sounds realistic, but it isn't clear. You receive a threatening letter re: caught by camera - you then do what?

ATB

Darrylles

Yoyu forget to mention that as they are normaly law abiding citizens the DVLA will have the correct records to track them down unlike the real motoring villains of today.

[Beaker_smiles]

I think people tend to focus on the black and white of speeding. There are grey areas. However, most of us are aware that there is a trigger speed for cameras, which is usually 4 or 5 miles over the posted speed limit. If you don't want to get flashed, slow down. It's not as if enough hasn't been done for us drivers, they are now luminous yellow, and have signs warning us that they are coming up.

As for illegal drivers, I know the council I work for frequently team up with the DVLA and sweep through whole estates checking cars for tax, insurance and MOT. The last sweep several days ago netted over 200 cars for removal.

However, before you all attack me for being pro-camera, I will agree it's not the speed that kills, it's bad driving. I do think the dependance on camera's is over the top, but it's a reality of life, so we all have to deal with it. The case of the parents being caught at night on a main road does seem very unfair, especially if there was nobody working on the road at that time, but if it was clearly signposted as 40 through the roadworks, it does have to get chalked up to bad luck.

[Rich44]

Beaker thats all well and good where you live that doesnt happen here by any stretch of the imagination in fact I have personally phoned the police and the council 4 times in the last 6 months about vehicles with

No Permit
No Road Tax
Illegal vehicle - dangerous

each and everytime I get told "Thank you for reporting it there is no police interest in the vehicle"

Now when I just passed my test I drove to the post office to get my road tax (yes lazy but it was 2 miles away and no direct bus route) and I got roasted by a coppper for it (picture an 18 yo messing themselves) even tho I had everything in the car inc the form already filled in and the correct money all in an envelope.

Sadly the police dont really seem to do much today except for drive around at 159mph in their pursuit cars.

But back on topic your parents should be fine I expect they will get £60 and 3 points, no one has mentioned though that they may be lucky and the camera may not have had any film in it its happened to my dad a few times been flashed and never heard any more about it so keep those fingers crossed m8

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[patdavies]

They will know soon enough if the camera was active.

If they are to be prosecuted, then the enforcing authority (Police or Camera Partnership) must send a Notice of Intended Prosecution (NIP) to the registered keeper to arrive within 14 days of the alleged offence. Not counting the date of the alleged offence, this date is the 9th September - so if there is nothing in the post for the registered keeper by Saturday - then they are home free. If the NIP arrives after Saturday, it is 'out of time' and they cannot be prosecuted

[JonCris]

Correct assuming the ARE the registered keeper & haven't moved without informing the DVLA. Also it is absolutely essential that they keep the envelope it arrives in

[strangewayofsavin]

Hi, having been caught 3 times by cameras, and tried to get away with it 3 times (and failed) here it what I know, & researched.
The speed cameras have to be calibrated at least once a year, to which a certificate has to be issued, so you could ask for proof of this certificate, but usually they have it, however, not sure about temp ones.
The calibration is 10% over the permitted legal speed limit, this is incase your speedo is out (m.o.t states 10% max), so in a 30mph, if you do 34mph the unit will activate.
Once you have been caught, Camera partnership have 14 days to issue you with a note of intended prosecution. However, one of mine came after 17 days, this was because it was a company vehicle, so they have to give 14 days for the lease hire company to nominate the owner, and the owner 14 days to nominate the driver etc.
The standard penalty, is 3 points on the drivers liscence and £60 fine. In exstreme cases, i.e doing 70 in a 30, the points can be raised or a complete ban, and I think up to £2000 fine. A speed awarness course is only available to those who have been caught speeding who have not exceeded 40mph.
The only way to get off is as follows:
1) you can prove you were not driving the vehicle at the nominated time, in the nominated place.
2) there is no calibration certificate for the gatso or radar gun covering the last 12 months.
3) the road signs on the stretch of road do not conform to current legislation (info available on many a speed camera, dvla or police web site).
4) if you request evidence, and the information you recieve is incorrect, i.e time and date are incorrect (does happen, but usually uncalibrated units).
If none of the above apply, then just pay up & slow down...