Disabled parking section - Offence at 0700hrs?!

[zoltron]

Originally Posted by JonCris

I don't care if my broadband goes down but if it does then I'll start a thread here explaining how I intend suing the butt off them. Particularly now that I know what their staff think of the disabled

That is my view of the disabled not my employers I don't have to take the abuse I get off the disabled for just doing my job, I even get grief from disabled drivers when I park on double yellow lines with my beacons flashing just because they want to park where i'm parked, my employer welcomes applicants from ethnic minorities & disabled, however if you want to have a go at suing them for loss of services beyond their control be my guest.

Originally Posted by JonCris

Of course your wife would rather give birth it lasts what a few hours or possibly days & I know many who would gladly swop places with your wife.

That is mainly a figure of speech of how women refer to pain, my wifes back pain is often worse than that of childbirth on bad days. To be honest i'm getting quite sick of this debate to be honest, i'm rapidly losing any little respect I do have for the disabled because of your couldn't care less attitude about the abled bodied of this world, why don't you try and rise above your disability instead of blaming the rest of the world & be positive about what remaining quality of life you may have.

Sorry for throwing my dummy out the pram, but this guy is winding me up, big style, and i feel like a coiled spring.

If there is a god, then an admin will close this thread soon. Before I really let my fingers do the talking and get into lots of trouble.

[caro]

I think both sides have expressed their points of view here, and it seems that some of you may have to agree to differ. I am reluctant to close the thread as I believe in full and frank debate, but I do think it is time to cool it a bit, before it gets too personal and possibly offensive.

If you feel you will not agree with another person, or make them see your point of view, maybe it would be better to stop posting here. I am trying to say this without causing anyone offence so please take this in the spirit it is meant.

[jonni2bad]

USERS BEWARE - WE DO NOT TOLERATE PERSONAL ATTACKS FOR ANY REASON.

If you can't moderate your own posts, we will do it for you.

Sensible debate YES - slanging match NO

I hope that's clear for you all.

[zoltron]

Thank-you both for your advice, and would like to apologise to those who may have taken offence to my posts.

[caro]

Fair play to you Zoltron.

[amber2508]

Originally Posted by fenwoman

I tried to park at a Dunelm mill stroe to buy some knitting wool last year and the disabled parking bay was full. 2 disabled cars and one young man in a sports car waiting for his girlfriend. I approached him and asked him to move out of the bay to a regular bay some yards away and he refused, saying his girlfriend would be tired after working there so he was entitled and if I was to wait 10 minutes I could have the space.

I have experienced this on a few occasions. I just park behind them blocking them in now, they soon get the picture. Last time i did this was because i had asked the guy parked up nicely if he could possibly move to another non disabled space as i am disabled and needed to park there, he said F*** O** so i parked behind him. The guy i blocked in came looking for me in the store i was visiting and asking me to move my car. I said sure i'll move as soon as i have finished my business and finished reporting you, which i did, he was warned by the manager and left with his tail between his legs. His face was a picture.

Bad news when we have to go to these lengths though. I would give anything not to have to use the spaces and to be able to walk freely to and from any parking space. I don't part there because i want to, i have to.

[saabuser]

my point exactly we have all become intollerant and selfish and nobody cares about anyone else. if anyone has to park in a disabled bay then so be it but the point i was making or trying too was why park in a loading bay which is for loading not shopping its for people like me to be able to do our jobs. an example.... i was recently in a town making a delivery and turned into a one way street to deliver to an electrical store there was a car with badge displayed in the loading bay and in front of that was a empty disabled bay yet the guy insisted he had the right to park there and walked past the empty disabled bay when i said i would report him he took a swing at me and luckily missed with plenty of witnesses who all agreed there didnt seem to be anything wrong with this guy. this is not meant to cause offense to anyone posting here just my thoughts and apologise if anyone takes it personally

[caro]

Not that I want to start anything again, but there are times when people use disabled badges when the people they were intended for are not even in the car. There is a tendency in society these days towards selfishness, which is one reason that this site is so refreshing, as people pull together to help and support each other.

[JonCris]

caro your remarks are ill informed.

They ARE allowed to use the disabled badge if the disabled person is NOT in the car, provided it's for specific purposes to do with the disabled person such as shopping

[meeru]

Originally Posted by JonCris

caro your remarks are ill informed.

They ARE allowed to use the disabled badge if the disabled person is NOT in the car, provided it's for specific purposes to do with the disabled person such as shopping

No you are not!!

You must not allow other people to use your badge. It cannot be used by someone to fetch your medicine for you, however urgent your medicine is.

(I'm guessing this applys to shopping as well!)

NABBH

[dw190]

Originally Posted by meeru

No you are not!!

You must not allow other people to use your badge. It cannot be used by someone to fetch your medicine for you, however urgent your medicine is.

(I'm guessing this applys to shopping as well!)

NABBH

However you could drop a disabled person off then drive to a more suitable place to park and display their badge.

[Bookworm]

I didn't think a disabled driver could park in a loading bay either, since they can't park "anywhere a loading restriction applies", which I would have thought is very much the case for loading bays.

A quick Google shows that most councils specify disabled drivers can not park in loading bays.

[JonCris]

Originally Posted by meeru

No you are not!!

You must not allow other people to use your badge. It cannot be used by someone to fetch your medicine for you, however urgent your medicine is.

(I'm guessing this applys to shopping as well!)

NABBH

I was referring to shopping in the context of the ablebodied driver parking in a disabled bay to collect or drop the disabled badge holder. This is sometimes what other drivers misinterperate as a non qualified driver parking where they shouldn't when they have every right to

[JonCris]

Originally Posted by Bookworm

I didn't think a disabled driver could park in a loading bay either, since they can't park "anywhere a loading restriction applies", which I would have thought is very much the case for loading bays.

A quick Google shows that most councils specify disabled drivers can not park in loading bays.

They should not park in a loading bay except when actualy loading. They should never park in a "no loading at any time" area donated by 2 yellow stripes on the kerb. They can park in restricted loading area (indicated by 1 yellow stripe on the kerb) provided they do not park during the times of restriction.

[Dr.Shoe]

Originally Posted by zoltron

I think you are so very wrong and ignorant like many others on this one my friend, essential services are immune as long there as a genuine fault/problem with an essential service and the flashing beacons are on and the company repairing the fault as an essential services permit, which Water, Gas, Electricity, and Telco do. An example is, what if on a busy high street a water main had burst on a pavement next to disabled parking, would you deem it fair that the enginners fixing the supply fault to carry tools, excavating equipment (pneumatic kango & compressor which is a large item AND HAS TO BE CLOSE BY), as well as materials for repairing the fault, just because they are abled bodied you and other disabled people would expect them to find a way for them to get on with their work without causing any disruption to yourself. It makes no difference if it be water, gas, electricity, or telco they are essential services, let me put it another way if you or someone else lay dying in a busy high street and had no way to to contact the emergency services by phone because someone resurfacing the pavement had cut through a major fibre optic trunk cable, what would be the greater violation the telecommunications enginner parked in a disabled space with his yellow beacons on causing disruption to one person disabled who can't park, or the telecommunications company because they were doing the decent thing by not fixing the fault becuase THEY put the health and safety of their personnel first.
I don't think there is a police officer in this land would would even think about asking a man at work on essential services to move his van out of a disabled parking space for fixing a fault as long as the correct signage and guarding rails were in place, but just because the engineer can't be seen it doesn't mean there is no fault and this is what annoys me, traffic wardens don't see this.
Also further to this a vehicle that prevents or obstructs essential services with a permit from carrying out their operations can be forcefully removed by the council or police.

Actually, the law is quite clear with regard to the use and abuse of orange beacons. In the case where you have to carry equipment to a site adjacent to a disabled parking bay or on double yellow lines, you must offload the equipment and then park the vehicle in a legal location. In cases where the equpment is fixed to the vehicle then you must apply for a suspension of parking restrictions. These rules do not apply to single yellow (without loading restriction) or taxi bays.

Orange beacons are only enhanced hazard lights, nothing else.


To the OP: Suppose your car had failed to start and while you were waiting for the AA the other bays filled up and as a result of your reckless thoughtlessness someone needed the bay you were illegally obstructing. Pay up and shut up!

[Dr.Shoe]

Don't get me started on people obstructing loading bays!

[mark.dathorne]

Wow ... this thread still going?

Paid up first ... and then had my moan.

Basically there should have been a space or two for 5-minute parking to drop off people to the bus garage.

(I am sorry that my thread had to be edited, moderator).

[Dr.Shoe]

Yes there should have been, but I suspect that there was a pay and display or a meter nearby.

If they can twist you out of £1.20 or whatever for 5 minutes parking they're not going to let you park for free are they? (Robbing barstewards!)

[caro]

At our local pay and displays you can get a ticket for free for 15 minutes parking which is useful for that kind of thing, or if you are just dashing into one shop. Not many people seem to be aware of it, and I am sure this is not available everywhere.

[Bookworm]

East Croydon Station used to have a free drop-off... Surprise, surprise, no longer the case, you have to pay for the same spot nowadays....

(I'm only getting mad on behalf of other people, as my hubby works there, I can park in the staff car park FOC, lol)