"Parking Charge" £70 Euro Car Parks?

[lamma]

there is no known case of a PPC issuing real papers when they have been completely ignored. and real papers are rare enough anyway.

[Keydogg]

Hi guys, thanks for a good long read in this thread! I managed to find this place by searching in google.

3 days ago I was issued a parking ticket from ECP for £50 (or £70 if not paid within 14 days) for overstaying in a car park which I genuinely didn't know had a limit! After having got the ticket I looked around and there were signs saying about a limit, but they were a little vague but noticable.

Anyway thanks to this thread I am not going to pay the charge and I know exactly what to expect! I think I will choose to ignore the letters completely rather than sending them replies.

I will keep you posted guys!

Thanks

Alan

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[NS83]

Similar to the thread above, I appreciate all the advice but am still a bit unsure of myself.

I received a parking fine in a Sainsbury's car park managed by Euro Car Parks a few months back. The car park is free for 2hours and as such i didn't buy and display a ticket. When i returned to my car i had a parking ticket. It said under "other" not displaying a ticket. I asked the parking attendant why i needed to display a ticket & he replied that the signs state that you need to display a ticket no matter what. On closer inspection of the sign, in TINY writing at the bottom, it did in fact say that.

I wrote to them (stupidly now as I see from suggested courses of action to say they need to prove who was driving) to say i thought it was unfair. They claimed the signs were fair & that i needed to pay. I went back to say that I was aware they were unable to claim damages in a private car park in excess of the damages caused which, in a free car park is nothing. They have responded quoting case Arthur and another v Anker and another (1996) saying i still have to pay.

Any thoughts on next steps...?

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[crem]

Yep, go back to plan "A"

Do not write to them
Do not ring them
Do not respond to any threats
DO NOT PAY THEM

Only respond to actual court papers (but don't hold your breath any will actually arrive)

[lamma]

as crem said. when next there take a picture of the sign (just in case, chances of you needing it are tiny winy - very tiny winy). file all their letters in the cupboard and ignore.

[Horsham_Dingle]

NS83 - the case of Arthur V Anker was about wheel clamping, so the reference in your situation looks like another example of the PPC's selectively quoting cases to suit themselves.

I too had a PCN (Parking Charge Notice, with nice squares on) from ECP at a Sainsbury's store. This was over 6 months ago.

After two letters from ECP - the first saying the registered keeper was liable (Doh!!) and one from Controlaccount (only 3 months ago), the trail has gone cold.

Please follow Crem and Lamma's great advice. These PPC's play a percentage game - after a few letters they give up and go onto the next "hooked fish".

H_D

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[lardypants]

hi after receiving a £70 ticket under the wiper at tescos today i went on the net and found this thread thankyou so much i shall be ignoring all contact however i have noticed this, my ticket was from euro car parks

if you go to the Welcome to ECP online website there a bit were you can enter in your ticket details, it brings up a £30 fine

but then i started trying different ticket numbers by changing last digit etc and funny the ticket came up todays date with a £30 fine, i bet even if the system has no recollection of excistance it also still charges you as they will be waiting for the stubb form the carpark warden blokey or just trying it on


so then everyone sees the £30 thinks what a result and pays!!!


thats just wrong again surely?


look

ECP Online Parking Charges payment system

just enter in the ticket number like the one on the display ticket on there picture it dates 2007 but then change last digit or another digit etc


i even make up a 7 digit number beginning with A and it worked

[crem]

Originally Posted by lardypants

ECP Online Parking Charges payment system

just enter in the ticket number like the one on the display ticket on there picture it dates 2007 but then change last digit or another digit etc


i even make up a 7 digit number beginning with A and it worked

me thinks you're right!

I just made one up and I found it would cost me 30 quid too. How amazing that I could choose a random 1 in 10 million number and find it happens to be a current invoice for £30.

[lamma]

hmm, that is interesting I wonder how many other PPC sites take any old number and accept it. I must revisit the E-Trading regulations.

[Keydogg]

Hi guys, I have just received my second letter, the first one being from ECP and this second one being from Controlaccount. Now I know i am meant to ignore the ECP letters, but should I ignore the controlaccount one or send one back saying its in dispute?

Thanks!

[DDWales]

Hi Keydogg. Ah Controlaccount! Black and white bordering letter etc?Ignore,- they will send two letters and give up. I had a final, final, final 'must pay in 7 days' letter from them in November....! Thier just the usual PPC/DCA scamsters.

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[Keydogg]

Thanks DDWales! I will do that! Although it sounds like a different styled letter to yours though!

[sameagle]

Keydogg,

If it has 25 squares arranged in a 5 by 5 at the top, with one square "toppling off", then you are entitled to get two of those.

Well, I did, and if you get more, I might complain to ControlAccount that I am being disenfranchised, and they may see themselves in Court, they may see Bailiffs, and I may make a total mess of their credit rating!

I cannot do much about their reputation, because they don't have much of one, in my opinion.

Hang in there, I'll lend you me spare set of talons, if you like...

Sam the Eagle

[Horsham_Dingle]

Boooo!!! I have only received 1 letter from controlaccount - over 3 months ago.

I want my second - have you seen the price of toilet paper these days!

H_D

[jjjkkk]

Please i need members' help, i got a parking charge notice from euro car park in december and i made an appeal letter but they did not uphold my appeal and they are charging me for overstaying for 74minutes and i must pay within 14days, pls i discover that this site has been very helpful. pls should i ignore the letter they said i must pay 50pounds within 10 days otherwise it will be increased to 70pounds, the truth is i am presently unemployed and i cannot afford it. pls what should i do? your advice will be highly appreciated.

Thanks

[DDWales]

Originally Posted by jjjkkk

Please i need members' help, i got a parking charge notice from euro car park in december and i made an appeal letter but they did not uphold my appeal and they are charging me for overstaying for 74minutes and i must pay within 14days, pls i discover that this site has been very helpful. pls should i ignore the letter they said i must pay 50pounds within 10 days otherwise it will be increased to 70pounds, the truth is i am presently unemployed and i cannot afford it. pls what should i do? your advice will be highly appreciated.

Thanks

Hi. Please dont worry! Follow the above thread which you have posted on and ignore. All the info is there for you. The appeals process is worthless (as it is with most PPC's and especially Euro Parks) as it is done 'in house'. That means that your appeal will be immediately rejected-thats if they ever read it anyway!! But please do read the above posts

[Al27]

• do not pay
• do not contact them
• it's a scam

Expect a couple of letters from Euro and a couple from 'Control Account' before they give up and go away.

they said i must pay 50pounds within 10 days otherwise it will be increased to 70pounds,

This is just an invoice. The increase is a load of rubbish - just a random figure they've come up with to try and scare you into paying quickly.

[j.gilbert10]

DONT DONT DONT DONT PAY
The same thing happened to me, read my threads, Ive had the letters from ECP and the threat from the collection agency, i just replied once using the tempate letters to both and after a couple more 'threatening' letters - guess what they gave up. Its your money - make sure it stays in your pocket. There was an article in the News of the World months ago from some Legal Bod, who basically says ignore them, eventually they crawl back into their hole, ready to try to scare the next poor unsuspecting person out of some money.

[croyde]

Yep! My other half got a ticket at Sainsburys in Dec and a letter from ECP arrived a few weeks ago and today I have received the Controlaccount letter with the 25 black squares at the top.

Now asking for £75 within 5 days or they will obtain a judgement against me.

Thanks to this forum, which I found through a car forum, I will ignore.

Many thanks.....I hope, gulp!

Mind you Controlaccount's website looks pretty kosher tho'.

[pin1onu]

Originally Posted by croyde

Now asking for £75 within 5 days or they will obtain a judgement against me.

Oh will they. No mention of the fact that you are entitled to defend any court action they take. This is just BS. If and its an enormous IF they take your to court you (not them) stand a very good chance of winning.

Originally Posted by croyde

Thanks to this forum, which I found through a car forum, I will ignore.

Many thanks.....I hope, gulp!

I know it seems frightening but have a read of the threads on this forum. You're not alone and the number of people actually taken to court is minute.

Stand your ground, be ready for some bumf and increasing desperate threats and then it should all go quiet.

As the song says Don't worry Be Happy.