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Old 15th June 2008, 21:00   #1 (permalink)
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This morning I was hit by a guy who openly admitted to being uninsured. It's done about £1000 of damage to my car, which I'm not happy about (really - I'm not!)

He tried to drive off and got about 200 yards down the road before he realised I had got his index number and he then stopped and came back. He offered to get his mate "who does some car stuff" to repair the damage. When I suggested that it should go through the insurance as I want the job done properly he became very aggressive and warned me that if I went to the police I would be in "big f***ing trouble". That's a summary of a 10 minute tirade.

I have spoken to the police and thay have taken details but my problem is this: I now have 24 hours to produce my documents at a police station.

The documents are not a problem (except my driving licence which is currently in the custody of Derbyshire police cos I got done for speeding last week - another story) but why am I now being inconvenienced by having to produce my documents, all of which are checkable by the police on MIDB, VOSA and DVLA. The police have taken the index number of my car so THEY KNOW it is taxed and insured. A car fitted with ANPR would spot me if it wasn't so why am I now on a time limit to produce documents they already know I have?









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Old 15th June 2008, 21:11   #2 (permalink)
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I can see where your coming from and indeed sympathise but its purely and simply police procedure that they are adhering too, unfortunately they dont make the rules, some desk jockey does!!!!
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Old 15th June 2008, 21:39   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks Kermit.

My point is that they can check my validity to drive on the road using ANPR but it seems they can't check the same details without me going into a police station.

They also want a witness statement from my wife but they will come to the house to take that
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Old 15th June 2008, 21:43   #4 (permalink)
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Thanks Kermit.

My point is that they can check my validity to drive on the road using ANPR but it seems they can't check the same details without me going into a police station.

They also want a witness statement from my wife but they will come to the house to take that
ANPR does not confirm your details it just alerts Police to vehicles that MAY not be legit, when you get pulled the Police will then check your documents.
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Old 15th June 2008, 21:54   #5 (permalink)
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ANPR (insurance pulls) are based on a false premis.
vehicles are not insured drivers are hence the need to check the actual documents.
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If you explain to the Police why you cannot produce your d/l in time, they should extend the time limit for you-perhaps they could call Derbyshire old bill
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Old 16th June 2008, 06:56   #7 (permalink)
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I've got the receipt for my licence so that counts as far as producing is concerned as it confirms that I have one.

I'm just hacked off that I have to waste my time going to a police station to produce documents for an incident I wasn't even involved in and it has to be done today. If I was stopped roadside I would have 7 days.
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Old 16th June 2008, 08:11   #8 (permalink)
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I suspect the 24 hours you are referring to is the time you have to actually report the accident rather than the production of your documents.
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Old 16th June 2008, 11:55   #9 (permalink)
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No. I spoke to Notts Police yesterday and they told me I have 24 hours from the time I reported it to attend a police station and produce my docs.

I've done it now. Not a good sign when you walk into the nick and the counter clerk says "you haven't got another ticket have you?"

Off the record, it appears I've got bob hope of getting any money out of this guy as the van isn't registered for road use. I might just get the satisfaction of him being banged up for a bit. He did say that if he got done by the police he would lose his house (ASBO maybe?).

Do I give a s***? Not really
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Old 16th June 2008, 12:12   #10 (permalink)
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There is a compensation fund in place to allow for incidents where an uninsured driver is involved. All insurance companies have to contribute some money to it though they tend to be a reticent letting one know.
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Old 16th June 2008, 12:48   #11 (permalink)
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Are you able to expand on this and how I go about claiming. I've got a £350 excess and I don't intend being out of pocket over this.
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I went through the same thing, spent my time giving details to police. The name and address the guy gave me was false, the police couldn't trace the car, bet if it was involved in a murder or something they would have done. 8 months later had to pay for repairs myself. Regarding the Comp fund, it is only if your insurance is 3rd party, if you are fully comp you have to claim from your own insurance...outrageous I know
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Old 17th June 2008, 12:08   #14 (permalink)
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Whats worse is it goes down as an at Fault Claim (because you had to claim off your own insurance) when applying for insurance even though your not at fault, if you get what I mean

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Even if you don't claim, but pay for it yourself, as I did, if it was reported it still goes down as a claim, it cost me an extra £45 on my insurance!
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Old 17th June 2008, 18:28   #16 (permalink)
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If you don't claim and they don't pay out why do they charge you more? If that is the case I would claim just to spite them.
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Old 18th June 2008, 11:52   #17 (permalink)
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Because obviously if you have been hit by one uninsured driver you are so much more likely to be hit by another
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Old 18th June 2008, 13:07   #18 (permalink)
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The true definition of the word "Fault" has no baring when it comes to be used by insurance companies.

They simply explore any and all methods of increasing your premiums and/or reducing your "no claims discount". (Notice they do call it a no claims discount, but feel equally happy in taking it off you even when you have lodged "no claim")
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Old 19th June 2008, 08:47   #19 (permalink)
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I have protected NCB on my policy but that's one life off it because they have no realistic prospect of recovering the outlay from this bloke. Police don't appear to be doing much about it either so looks like it's down to me
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