Ticket while brokedown

[sam joyce]

My car ran out of petrol on a red route road. It had its mot the day before ( got the fuel filter replaced and think it used all my last fuel) and just as I got two roads from my house it ran out of petrol approaching main crossroads, too obstructive/dangerous to try and push anywhere ,anyway put on hazzard lights and ran 2 mins to garage and got petrol came back and ticket was being written £60. Warden told me to ring and I could get it cancelled, he would make a note I that returned quickly with petrol.Rang the parking office and they wanted receipt of buying the petrol anyway. Ran back to garage from home got receipt posted recorded delivery.Got notice to owner two weeks later wanting £120.Rang and they said they didnt receive letter with petrol receipt .Wrote to ask about procedures I had taken, printed confirmation delivery of petrol receipt and letter and got return letter saying "running out of petrol doesnt permit stopping vehicle"! also "we can confirm we didnt receive letter with petrol receipt" but they had confirmation I sent it from royal mail?. Now they are making me feel lucky I only have to pay them £60. I am really angry they made me run around getting information and telling me I could get it withdrawn. but now enforcing it, and now openly lying I sent no letter when I have proof I Wrote to them they have seen. This is terrible service. what should I do next ? Can I record a new phone call and try to get them to ask me to provide petrol receipt again and push for this as agreement to cancel, I only sent the first letter recorded because they told me they didnt receive another parking fine letter ages ago and still they deny things Im fed up with them. Many thanks for listening/reading...help.

[nero12]

Originally Posted by sam joyce

My car ran out of petrol on a red route road. It had its mot the day before ( got the fuel filter replaced and think it used all my last fuel) and just as I got two roads from my house it ran out of petrol approaching main crossroads, too obstructive/dangerous to try and push anywhere ,anyway put on hazzard lights and ran 2 mins to garage and got petrol came back and ticket was being written £60. Warden told me to ring and I could get it cancelled, he would make a note I that returned quickly with petrol.Rang the parking office and they wanted receipt of buying the petrol anyway. Ran back to garage from home got receipt posted recorded delivery.Got notice to owner two weeks later wanting £120.Rang and they said they didnt receive letter with petrol receipt .Wrote to ask about procedures I had taken, printed confirmation delivery of petrol receipt and letter and got return letter saying "running out of petrol doesnt permit stopping vehicle"! also "we can confirm we didnt receive letter with petrol receipt" but they had confirmation I sent it from royal mail?. Now they are making me feel lucky I only have to pay them £60. I am really angry they made me run around getting information and telling me I could get it withdrawn. but now enforcing it, and now openly lying I sent no letter when I have proof I Wrote to them they have seen. This is terrible service. what should I do next ? Can I record a new phone call and try to get them to ask me to provide petrol receipt again and push for this as agreement to cancel, I only sent the first letter recorded because they told me they didnt receive another parking fine letter ages ago and still they deny things Im fed up with them. Many thanks for listening/reading...help.

Have you still got the original petrol reciept or can you get another.

As far as Im aware the very few reasons for stopping on a red route are to fill you car with petrol, or water, you were told to do so by a police officer or it was an emergency or the car had mechanical failiure.

You will need to write back to the la and ask for the pocket book notes of the attendant who ticketed, and what are their proceedures for broken down vehicles. (Oh and what policy document have they got in place for discretionary proceedures)

[Hobbie]

Running out of petrol is not an offence (Unless your in Germany that is) and it is one of the defences to be stopped on a red route.

[nero12]

Originally Posted by Hobbie

Running out of petrol is not an offence (Unless your in Germany that is) and it is one of the defences to be stopped on a red route.

sam joyce Post if you need more help

[Weird Al Yankovic]

Originally Posted by Hobbie

Running out of petrol is not an offence (Unless your in Germany that is) and it is one of the defences to be stopped on a red route.

I have to say I absolutely agree with this German law.

The amount of time I lost when I had a delivery business due to driver's who seem to only run their vehicles on fumes and then break down was staggering.

It should be as vital as having tyres with tread on them.

[nero12]

Originally Posted by Weird Al Yankovic

I have to say I absolutely agree with this German law.

The amount of time I lost when I had a delivery business due to driver's who seem to only run their vehicles on fumes and then break down was staggering.

It should be as vital as having tyres with tread on them.

obtuse arguement with no bearing on this post at all.

The ticket is still invalid, the la are trying it on whatever the law in germany states.

[PPC Buster]

Got notice to owner two weeks later wanting £120.

A bit quick? Normally it is at least 28 days from issue for the NTO?

[nero12]

Originally Posted by PPC Buster

A bit quick? Normally it is at least 28 days from issue for the NTO?

Blimy they havnt given the correct time to appeal, didnt spot that.

They havnt waited 28 days before serving the notice to owner , I believe this invalidates the whole ticket.

Sam joyce Check the dates on the pcn and notice to owner, if less than 28 days game shot

PPC Buster well spotted.

Post up and I will do a letter for you if you wish

[sam joyce]

ppc buster, I think it was two weeks after ringing to find out what was happening from my origonal letter and petrol proof. While this happened the last thing on my mind was will I get a ticket, I was thinking more like make the car and other traffic safe, garage is down the road it will take two minutes run run run, under these circumstances my la think hey lets make £60 create a lot of mixed advice to motorist lie about letters we didnt get but were recorded then threaten to double fine. I can get another receipt for petrol but they arent rejecting this on that basis, they just dont exept my running out of petrol is reason to throw out the ticket.I knew I needed petrol as soon as the car came out the garage but didnt stop to think it would loose some of the little petrol it had in repair. Anyway the receipt was sent recorded to their office and they lost it. I am more angry about the confusing and truth bending way they are dealing with this. what kind of statement is "although you ran out of petrol this does not permit you to stop on a red route"? I sent them digitally signed royal mail post proof to PObox 4555 BN13 1XY of my origonal letter and receipt, and got a letter back from PObox 4555 1XY saying they can confirm it didnt arrive at their office, how can they do this, im lost for words.Thank you all for listening you all make the world a better place.

[nero12]

Originally Posted by sam joyce

ppc buster, I think it was two weeks after ringing to find out what was happening from my origonal letter and petrol proof. While this happened the last thing on my mind was will I get a ticket, I was thinking more like make the car and other traffic safe, garage is down the road it will take two minutes run run run, under these circumstances my la think hey lets make £60 create a lot of mixed advice to motorist lie about letters we didnt get but were recorded then threaten to double fine. I can get another receipt for petrol but they arent rejecting this on that basis, they just dont exept my running out of petrol is reason to throw out the ticket.I knew I needed petrol as soon as the car came out the garage but didnt stop to think it would loose some of the little petrol it had in repair. Anyway the receipt was sent recorded to their office and they lost it. I am more angry about the confusing and truth bending way they are dealing with this. what kind of statement is "although you ran out of petrol this does not permit you to stop on a red route"? I sent them digitally signed royal mail post proof to PObox 4555 BN13 1XY of my origonal letter and receipt, and got a letter back from PObox 4555 1XY saying they can confirm it didnt arrive at their office, how can they do this, im lost for words.Thank you all for listening you all make the world a better place.

Running out of petrol is the same as breaking down, your petrol level indicator could have malfunctioned showing petrol in the tank.
This rule is the same for bus lanesI believe.


I will get another opinion for this to make sure

[Weird Al Yankovic]

Originally Posted by nero12

obtuse arguement with no bearing on this post at all.

The ticket is still invalid, the la are trying it on whatever the law in germany states.

Well maybe if the OP had a bit more common sense, ie taking a look at the fuel gauge, then they may not be in this bit of bother.

This is a consumer forum and opinions and views are exchanged and debated.

As a consumer, just as the OP is a motorist with an invalid fine, why can't I protest about losing money just because someone blocks up the road because they don't put fuel in their vehicle?

Anyone who runs out of fuel should get fined, full stop.

[nero12]

Originally Posted by Weird Al Yankovic

Well maybe if the OP had a bit more common sense, ie taking a look at the fuel gauge, then they may not be in this bit of bother.

This is a consumer forum and opinions and views are exchanged and debated.

As a consumer, just as the OP is a motorist with an invalid fine, why can't I protest about losing money just because someone blocks up the road because they don't put fuel in their vehicle?

Anyone who runs out of fuel should get fined, full stop.

Hello Weird Al Yankovic


By all means post up your protest. I cant stop you nor do I wish to.
Debate is healthy and some cleaver comments sometimes crop up.

However how about putting our heads together so we can help the op for now.

We all make mistakes from time to time.

[Weird Al Yankovic]

Fair enough.
I'm sure the OP will get off though which is obviously right as the law stands.

[Bookworm]

Originally Posted by Weird Al Yankovic

Anyone who runs out of fuel should get fined, full stop.

Really?

What about if a fuel line breaks, leading to the loss of fuel that way?

What about if the fuel gauge is faulty, leading the driver to think he has more fuel than he actually does? (a not uncommon problem with digital/electronic gauges, including in very expensive -supposedly reliable- cars)

Don't you love it when people live their lives in black and white.

[Weird Al Yankovic]

Originally Posted by Bookworm

Really?

What about if a fuel line breaks, leading to the loss of fuel that way?

What about if the fuel gauge is faulty, leading the driver to think he has more fuel than he actually does? (a not uncommon problem with digital/electronic gauges, including in very expensive -supposedly reliable- cars)

Don't you love it when people live their lives in black and white.

What if your speedo tells you you are doing 30 in a 30 zone when you are actually doing 40? As damn sure as mustard you will still get a fine.

And I'm pretty sure the Germans wouldn't have this law if it didn't work.

[Hobbie]

Originally Posted by Weird Al Yankovic

And I'm pretty sure the Germans wouldn't have this law if it didn't work.

What have I started...