£60 parking charge notice

[lolly371]

Hi could somebody help me please? I have recieved a parking ticket from a pub car park. I have read the stickys, but i'm feeling a little daunted. I cant quite work out where I stand. The was a sign in the car park, but it is a small sign in a fairly large car park, and once I had received the ticket, it took me quite some time to locate it. How clear does the sign need to be? Does it matter at all, because there is hardly any information on the ticket so im wondering if the ticket is legal, anyway. I would scan it, but i have no scanning facility at the moment, but basically it states:

PARKING CHARGE NOTICE(£60)
Parking charge notice no****

PART 1 DETAILS
ON (day)***(date)***at (time)***
location***
a vehicle registration number****
make****
colour*****
was seen in circumstances which gave me reasonable cause to believe that contractual obligations indicated below have been accepted.
VEHICLE WAS PARKED ON PRIVATE LAND WHERE PARKING RESTRICTIONS APPLY- THE USER-REGISTERED KEEPER OF THIS VEHICLE WILL BE LIABLE TO A FEE OF £60 PER VISIT IF THE VEHICLE IS NOT DISPLAYING A VALID PERMIT AND IN DOING SO ACCEPT THAT THEY WILL PAY THE CHARGE WITHIN 14 DAYS OF THE DATE OF ISSUE OF THIS NOTICE.
SIGNS VISIBLE /

PART 2 EXPLANATORY NOTES
EFPN administers and manages the scheme on behalf of:
Landlord to the above named location
ISSUED BY **** CODE****
You have two options
1: The notice procedure provides that the allegation which is detailed in Part 1, may be discharged by paying a FIXED FEE of £60 within 14 days or
2: produce a valid parking permit within 14 days.
Failure to reply within 14 days may result in a county court summons, you will also be liable to £27 late payment fee total £87 and all additional costs incurred by EFPN.

Any suggestions how I should handle this? lolly.

[robin9342]

Its a private ticket. Don't pay it, it has no legal standing whatsoever. The chances of the PPC taking you to court are about as likely as my chances of winning tonights lottery (and I didn't buy a ticket)

[Barnsley Boy]

Robin9342 is quite right. These Private tickets are a scam.

Stand Firm - DON'T PAY

Private Parking Companies/Charges - Advice Paper (everything you need to know)

Private Parking Tickets - Template Letters

[lolly371]

thanks for your replys. i am going to ignore the notice and stand my ground. its nice to have the support in these matters, i might otherwise have ended up paying it, so thanks again.

[adampaddam]

i am going to ignore the notice and stand my ground.

There are only two rules which apply to private parking tickets

Rule 1. Ignore all communications admit nothing

Rule 2. If in doubt or beginning to crack refer to rule 1.

[mar28y]

hi every one, i just got one of this parking ticket from EFPN from a pub car park.
I have read the stickys, but i'm feeling a little daunted. I cant quite work out where I stand.
The situation is: i was not even parked inside the parking, i was outside, near the entrance to the parking, near the yellow single line but not parked in the top of the line.
There are some notice in a tree, just opposite where my car where, saying that this were a private propety and this parking where for the customes of the "Fishing INN" pub.
Also there are a private residential complex, but my car was opposite to the entry. So, can any one tell me where is my mistake???....I was not even parked inside the parking for the customers, anyway at 10 o'clock in the morning there are not to many customers, isn't?.so what is his problem???
Does it matter at all, because there is hardly any information on the ticket so i am wondering if the ticket is legal, anyway the ticket is a photocopy is not even the original one.
My ticket is like that one:

PARKING CHARGE NOTICE(£60)
Parking charge notice no****

PART 1 DETAILS
ON (day)***(date)***at (time) 11:25
location " entrance way to overflow carpark"
a vehicle registration number****
make****
colour*****
was seen in circumstances which gave me reasonable cause to believe that contractual obligations indicated below have been accepted.
VEHICLE WAS PARKED ON PRIVATE LAND WHERE PARKING RESTRICTIONS APPLY- THE USER-REGISTERED KEEPER OF THIS VEHICLE WILL BE LIABLE TO A FEE OF £60 PER VISIT IF THE VEHICLE IS NOT DISPLAYING A VALID PERMIT AND IN DOING SO ACCEPT THAT THEY WILL PAY THE CHARGE WITHIN 14 DAYS OF THE DATE OF ISSUE OF THIS NOTICE.

1. SIGNS VISIBLE X
2. PARKING PERMIT NOT DISPLAYED X

PART 2 EXPLANATORY NOTES
EFPN administers and manages the scheme on behalf of:
Landlord to the above named location
ISSUED BY **** CODE ****
You have two options
1: The notice procedure provides that the allegation which is detailed in Part 1, may be discharged by paying a FIXED FEE of £60 within 14 days or
2: produce a valid parking permit within 14 days.
Failure to reply within 14 days may result in a county court summons, you will also be liable to £27 late payment fee total £87 and all additional costs incurred by EFPN.

Any suggestions how I should handle this?

[Barnsley Boy]

You have three options, either ignore, reply using this site's template letters or appeal on the basis of the PPC not following their own internal logic.

I would advise you not to "appeal" because, firstly it gives these scammers far too much respect, secondly there is no prospect of the "appeal" succeeding, the scammers just want your money and will see your having written to them as a sign of weakness.

In the first instance I would wait for them to contact you. It costs them £2.50 to get this information from DVLA, let them incur this cost.

[mar28y]

Thanks for your replay, Let's see what they say to me in 28 days.

[neil24103]

Originally Posted by mar28y

Thanks for your replay, Let's see what they say to me in 28 days.

they.ll send you a load of rubbish saying you must pay or else.do not pay or write to them as they will think they have hooked a fish and chase you even more just ignore and file all letters under scumbags.and dont be scared when you get letters from debt collectors.just write back debt in dispute send back to ppc

[vimsta]

Originally Posted by lolly371

thanks for your replys. i am going to ignore the notice and stand my ground. its nice to have the support in these matters, i might otherwise have ended up paying it, so thanks again.

Hi Lolly, how have you got on with this? Any positive outcomes?

I have a friend who has the same sort of ticket, who will stand her ground. I have helped and investigated this company, they sound and look (from the ticket) very dubious.

[lamma]

"THE USER-REGISTERED KEEPER OF THIS VEHICLE WILL BE LIABLE TO A FEE OF £60 PER VISIT IF THE VEHICLE IS NOT DISPLAYING A VALID PERMIT"

you can't hold third parties contracts.
what rubbish.

[vimsta]

Whats third party contracts?

[patdavies]

[quote=vimsta;1536817]Whats third party contracts?[/quote}

The principle of privity of contract is that a party cannot cause the a third party to enter into a contract without his/her knowledge (unless acting as an agent). In this case, the RK is a third party and cannot be bound by a contract entered into by the driver - if, in fact, the driver entered into any contract.

[lolly371]

Originally Posted by vimsta

Hi Lolly, how have you got on with this? Any positive outcomes?

i have heard nothing whatsoever, and it has been quite some time, so i think its a pretty good result!