Can't get a space

[mike1234]

i know most people on here are arguing against wardens and parking fines

where i live there is a residents only carpark supposedly managed by excel parking, which threatens fines to anyone parking there not showing the correct badge

yet the car park is more often than not full of cars with no badges.usually i am live and let live and understand people need to park somewhere, but i cannot park or have visitors park near my home, and have had a delivery refused because the deliverymen couldnt get close enough to the property to deliver

my mother is disabled and as trouble walking very far and cannot get a parking space anywhere near my home and whenever i have told people politely they are not supposed to be parked there i have just been ignored or given abuse

excel parking send out a warden once or twice a month but this isnt enought to put anyone off parking here

they do not have a email address or non premium rate phone number on there website to contact them

and my landlord doesnt seem to want to get involved and i dont know what to do over the matter to make excel do there job and enforce the no parking

[perky88]

I think this is the wrong place to be asking people for details of companies to ISSUE tickets ....

(and just before anyone says anything mike1234 is not perky ... just me)

[green_and_mean]

A solution which I would not condon would be to print up some official looking warning notices saying that repeat parking will result in being towed and place them on the cars they will probably think the excel put them there are stop parking.
Another more ethical suggestion would be to group a fewc residents together and refuse to renew permits as there are no spaces. You will have to make sure you park elsewhere for a while though and the company will soon have a car park full of free parking cars and no income.

[mike1234]

thanks for the help

i think the landlord pays for the permits out for part of our rent and he isnt interested,

i might mention the printed notices to a few of the residents and maybe someone might act on it

it really is a joke excel parking are not doing what they are contracted to do

[mike1234]

Originally Posted by perky88

I think this is the wrong place to be asking people for details of companies to ISSUE tickets ....

(and just before anyone says anything mike1234 is not perky ... just me)

Alot of the people come on here to try and weasel out of parking fines that they DESERVE, which is a problem they could have easily have solved by parking somewhere they was permitted to do so.

Sometimes jobsworth wardens can issue tickets unfairly if someone is 2 minutes over the hour limit etc..

But i am here to ask for help to a problem that is causing me a lot of trouble and i cant get services and no where to park, due to people using the carpark outside of my home to get a train and go into town for the day, there is also a pay and display to there rear priced at about 20p an hour

These selfish idiots for the sake of saving them selves a couple of pence are stopping people from getting parking spaces outside there own homes stopping deliverys, cos when the marked spaces are full they decide to park where ever they can cramp in,
on the odd occasion some of them have had tickets they have protested and complained, i wonder if i parked across there drive or blocked access to there property would they think it was OK

[interesting]

Can the residents not put pressure on the management company to get a wheel clamping firm in ?
I am sure you fill find a few locally who would love to patrol your car park - if the ticketing is failing then this may be the best way to go.

[Bernie_the_Bolt]

Originally Posted by mike1234

i know most people on here are arguing against wardens and parking fines

where i live there is a residents only carpark supposedly managed by excel parking, which threatens fines to anyone parking there not showing the correct badge

I for one am not against reasonable and lawful enforcement. I am entirely non judgmental about whether a ticket is "deserved". What I am unashamed about is pointing out how people may be able to formulate a valid and lawful defence. It is not about technicalities, it is about what is lawful and what is not.

I have every sympathy for your predicament mike1234. I don't know the layout of your car park but what I think you need is for your residents to combine efforts and lobby the landlord for a better system, perhaps involving a gate and pin-code for the car-park and a separate drop-off area.

[interesting]

The problem with electronic gates are the initial cost, then the on going maintenance costs (routing breakdown/vandals etc..) and with pin numbers when a tenant moves out you have to change it etc...
The cost has to be paid for by someone, this would be the residents, why should the residents have to pay to stop illegal parking ?
If parking tickets do not work get a local clamping/towing company involved, it will cost the driver £100+ to get their car back, your residents comittee gets money back to put towards service charges and the message will soon get out not to park there ... everyones a winner

[Zamzara]

The trouble is you risk hiring criminals who block people in or who tow residents.

Until the law in this area is improved there really is no good solution. I'm all for parking on private land without permission to be made officially illegal, with a proper court hearing if there is a dispute.

[Bernie_the_Bolt]

Originally Posted by interesting

The problem with electronic gates are the initial cost, then the on going maintenance costs (routing breakdown/vandals etc..) and with pin numbers when a tenant moves out you have to change it etc...
The cost has to be paid for by someone, this would be the residents, why should the residents have to pay to stop illegal parking ?
If parking tickets do not work get a local clamping/towing company involved, it will cost the driver £100+ to get their car back, your residents comittee gets money back to put towards service charges and the message will soon get out not to park there ... everyones a winner

If I want to protect my stuff there is a cost. That's life.

[interesting]

Originally Posted by Bernie_the_Bolt

If I want to protect my stuff there is a cost. That's life.

There doesnt need to be in this instance, if people abuse the parking area of others, put signs up and get them towed away.
Residents have permits, they put them in the car any person without a permit gets taken away.
It costs the abuser £100+, doesnt matter who is towing them away just gets the problem dealt with and they wont be back and the residents get their parking area back to themselves.
Tough on the driver how much it costs him/her, will teach them a lesson in life

[Bernie_the_Bolt]

Originally Posted by interesting

There doesnt need to be in this instance, if people abuse the parking area of others, put signs up and get them towed away.
Residents have permits, they put them in the car any person without a permit gets taken away.
It costs the abuser £100+, doesnt matter who is towing them away just gets the problem dealt with and they wont be back and the residents get their parking area back to themselves.
Tough on the driver how much it costs him/her, will teach them a lesson in life

I find the notion of private towing more morally repugnant than private clamping. I suspect that the current legal position that allows private clamping is an abberation that will get over-turned.

Plus of course I think that there is a "moral cost" involved which, for me, is unacceptable when compared with the financial cost of a gate.

[interesting]

If a driver wants to take a chance and gets clamped/towed, why would we feel sorry for him/her - they took a chance and lost - thats life, you can bet they will not come back though after getting the car back and paying the fees.
I have experience of an electric gate and barrier on an estate entrance and it worked out over £500 per resident each for the 1st year + ongoing costs, it was regularly vandalised and the ongoing cost was in excess of £150 per resident.
The codes soon got out and the system was back to normal, it was then changed to a fob system and each lost fob is stopped and charged individually - these gates are not cheap and why would residents want to pay out extra costs to stop a problem that is not their cause ??
Moral Cost/Financial cost, you may be lucky enough not to worry about paying out for a gate, but not many people have £500 spare cash lying around to implement and ongoing costs in addition to their ever increasing bills etc.

[electron99]

Why not seek permission to put a post in the centre of your parking space that can be locked in an upright position.If you have no specific space reserved for you, why not ask for one with each permit, and then put a post on that position.

[Conniff]

i know most people on here are arguing against wardens and parking fines

They aren't arguing against wardens and fines, just the unlawful methods used to collect and the unlawfully inflated claims made by them.

[Bernie_the_Bolt]

Originally Posted by interesting

Moral Cost/Financial cost, you may be lucky enough not to worry about paying out for a gate, but not many people have £500 spare cash lying around to implement and ongoing costs in addition to their ever increasing bills etc.

I have to rely on one of the few areas in my London Borough that doesn't have resident's parking . . . but it is coming!

When I buy a car I pay for an alarm/immobiliser. If I spent enough opn a car I would pay for a tracker. I insure fully comp not TPFT. I have an alarm on my house which has an annual running cost.

Life carries costs with it if you want to protect your assets and interests. For me the cost I am not prepared to bear is to descend into the murky depths of what I regard as immorality. That is my subjective view and assessment that I apply to everything in my life. Others are free to have their own views and assessments.

[Conniff]

Not everyone is in such a privileged position as you and have to scrape around to find the rent etc; Yes life has costs, but why should they have to pay for something that is already theirs by right?

[Bernie_the_Bolt]

Originally Posted by Conniff

Not everyone is in such a privileged position as you and have to scrape around to find the rent etc; Yes life has costs, but why should they have to pay for something that is already theirs by right?

Please believe me, I respect the fact that many people have to scrimp and save for their costs.

We are not talking about people having to pay for something that is already theirs by right. We are talking about how to protect a certain interest. In this case it's an interest in parking facilities. The economic reality is that it is no different to protecting any other interest that we may have. The perception is that people should be entitled to free parking. It is this clash between reality and perception that causes the problems.