AS Securi-T - READ IF YOU HAVE A TICKET FROM THEM

petej2811 · 28th November 2007, 00:12

I thought this company were worth a mention as they seem to be the only company I have had dealings with who actually take people to court.

As of today's date 562 people have emailed me asking for help with parking tickets. Of these only two have been sued.

Both have been sued by Mr Singh at AS Securi-T.

In the first case the defendants contested the claim and the matter progressed to a hearing. The claimants, AS Securi-T did not attend and the District Judge found in favour of the defendants and in an unusual move awarded costs against the claimants.

I have another case progressing to a hearing on the 4th December and I will keep this thread updated as I remember to do so with the outcome.

In my personal dealings with this firm, and I can only speak from my own experience, they have a very unprofessional way about them. The way they conduct their pre litigation correspondence and communication leds itself to being made an issue of in court. Their particulars of claim in both instances were particuarly terrible and indeed their second claim was stayed by the District Judge for this reason. As things stand defeating their cases at curt are perfectly possible PROVIDED YOU HAVE PREPARED.

However, in the meantime if you receive a ticket from this company I am interested. I have been cherry picking cases the last few weeks and prioritising anything unusual, but anyone who comes to me with a ticket from this company will get my help as they represent the worst risk of a court appearance at present.

All the best,

PJ

Froncysyllte · 15th December 2007, 23:28

My wife had a ticket from A S Securi-T Ltd on 16.11.07. The car park has an hour limit and when she came back the attendant was there but he still wrote a ticket. My wife insists that she was not there for an hour and it does seem unlikely in view of the time she left work. I sent for the photos (for which I was charged £5) and the photos have 1248 on the first and 1351 on the second so they are asking for £88.13 for three minutes. They call this photo evidence, but how does anyone know that these are genuine times. It would seem to be easy enough to put whatever time they liked on a digital image. It just seems like a money making scam to me

petej2811 · 16th December 2007, 20:17

If your name is indicative of where you live then you live not ten mins away from me!

Anyhow, go here -

PePiPoo: Helping the motorist to get justice

Look in 'articles' and I have written a parking guide. In it is my email address. Contact me and I'll give you a hand with this.

Regards,

PJ

hammi_poop · 17th December 2007, 18:06

Hi there im contacting you as I have just read your thread regarding the above company. I parked at the rear of a local pub in my home town and used the pub to have lunch. The signs with all the ins and outs did not mention anything apart from that it was maximum stay of 2 hours for customers. So i went in for my dinner to find when i returned to my car I had received one of there parking charge notices. When i spoke to one of the management she claimed there were 4 signs stating you had to sign a book! So i looked for the signs there was one above head height just at the side of an alley way and one printed on a4 on the door as you came in. Ok maybe its my fault for not seeing the sign but my friend went in before me so the door was open and the sign not in front of me as i entered!Please help

interesting · 17th December 2007, 19:11

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Originally Posted by hammi_poop

Hi there im contacting you as I have just read your thread regarding the above company. I parked at the rear of a local pub in my home town and used the pub to have lunch. The signs with all the ins and outs did not mention anything apart from that it was maximum stay of 2 hours for customers. So i went in for my dinner to find when i returned to my car I had received one of there parking charge notices. When i spoke to one of the management she claimed there were 4 signs stating you had to sign a book! So i looked for the signs there was one above head height just at the side of an alley way and one printed on a4 on the door as you came in. Ok maybe its my fault for not seeing the sign but my friend went in before me so the door was open and the sign not in front of me as i entered!Please help

The client (the pub) will have the ability to cancel a ticket issued within 14-days if its been issued by mistake.
I would go back to the pub, they knew you were a customer and get them to sort it - after all the carpark is supposed to be for their customers. you were one - if the sign does not state you have to sign a book then it can not be relied on anyway.
If they say a contract has been formed and you have broken the contract then the contract is created on entrance to the carpark and when you park you car - not some terms then and some others later on, but its a long winded approach to send letters/ignore/write to debt collectors and can surely be sorted out by the pub.
After all AST are their customer and you are the pubs customer, everyone happy

hammi_poop · 17th December 2007, 19:16

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Originally Posted by interesting

The client (the pub) will have the ability to cancel a ticket issued within 14-days if its been issued by mistake.
I would go back to the pub, they knew you were a customer and get them to sort it - after all the carpark is supposed to be for their customers. you were one - if the sign does not state you have to sign a book then it can not be relied on anyway.
If they say a contract has been formed and you have broken the contract then the contract is created on entrance to the carpark and when you park you car - not some terms then and some others later on, but its a long winded approach to send letters/ignore/write to debt collectors and can surely be sorted out by the pub.
After all AST are their customer and you are the pubs customer, everyone happy

ok just been down to look at the signs again, the sign doesnt say for customers it just says people can be fined if doing the following etc and lists vague reasons. One sign says write a book then the a4 paper in the window says collect a permit???

interesting · 17th December 2007, 19:21

I am sure in a few posts many people will tell you various advice (ignore/contact driver etc...) BUT working on the basis that tickets are enforceable in certain circumstances I would say the following.
Signage must be clear and positioned in prominant locations around the carpark.
The fact there are many signs, all with conflicting information means they are not clear and therefore difficult to see how they could rely on them - signage is of the utmost importance when a ticket is issued.
Will the pub not sort it out ?? You were a customer parked in their customer car park, with all the trouble the pub industry is in at the moment I would have hoped they would bend over backwards to sort out a genuine mistake by a genuine customer.

Bernie_the_Bolt · 17th December 2007, 21:48

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Originally Posted by interesting

I would have hoped they would bend over backwards to sort out a genuine mistake by a genuine customer.

Personally I would have thought they should sort out their own mistake and those of their own contractor first.

I don't think that this customer has made a mistake!

legaladviser · 17th December 2007, 23:53

Private parking tickets are unenforcable as a matter of contract law. Don't waste your time trying to resolve with the pub. It is all a big scam ande relies on people paying up without asking questions. People on here telling you differently have a vested interest and in many cases are connected with the private parking companies. Thousands of people who have ignored these scam tickets hear no more. So don't be a mug and don't pay.

Sidewinder · 18th December 2007, 00:02

Make sure that you get some photos of the signs - if AS Securi-T are that litigious then they will be the final nail in the coffin of any claim which they make.

In the meantime, by all means take it up with the pub - if the parking company are acting as their agent then they will have a responsibility. Ultimately however your argument is that no contract can possibly have been formed due to the conflicting and confusing signage.

Bernie_the_Bolt · 18th December 2007, 11:56

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Originally Posted by legaladviser

Private parking tickets are unenforcable as a matter of contract law. Don't waste your time trying to resolve with the pub. It is all a big scam ande relies on people paying up without asking questions. People on here telling you differently have a vested interest and in many cases are connected with the private parking companies. Thousands of people who have ignored these scam tickets hear no more. So don't be a mug and don't pay.

As a statement of fact this is inaccurate. It is perfectly possible to form and enforce a valid contract. Many PPCs take short-cuts and it is this that undermines their position.

legaladviser · 18th December 2007, 12:56

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Originally Posted by Bernie_the_Bolt

As a statement of fact this is inaccurate. It is perfectly possible to form and enforce a valid contract. Many PPCs take short-cuts and it is this that undermines their position.

I disagree with this. In my opinion it will not be possible to form all the elements of a contract simply by putting up a notice. Furthermore the PPC would have to overcome the Vine case and prove that the driver saw the signage, as well as prove that the RK is liable for the actions of the driver. I have recently looked into the acceptance by conduct cases which further confirm the belief that it will not be possible for PPCs to meet the necessary criteria. For all of these reasons my statement that private parking tickets are unenforcable is IMHO perfectly valid. You are allowed to disagree. We are after all on the same side.

postggj · 18th December 2007, 13:02

sorry

petej2811 · 18th December 2007, 13:14

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Originally Posted by interesting

I am sure in a few posts many people will tell you various advice (ignore/contact driver etc...) BUT working on the basis that tickets are enforceable in certain circumstances I would say the following.
Signage must be clear and positioned in prominant locations around the carpark.
The fact there are many signs, all with conflicting information means they are not clear and therefore difficult to see how they could rely on them - signage is of the utmost importance when a ticket is issued.
Will the pub not sort it out ?? You were a customer parked in their customer car park, with all the trouble the pub industry is in at the moment I would have hoped they would bend over backwards to sort out a genuine mistake by a genuine customer.

Please don't give advice to people who have asked questions of me. Its rude, obstructive and unhelpful. When you hijack posts like this it makes it difficult for the message of good practice to come out.

I personally find your motives questionable and would suggest that it is unacceptable that requests made of me be replied to by you. You weren't good enough to respond to my private request the other day either, which hardly lends to your credibility.

I may have to take issue if you offer advice to people asking questions of me again.

PJ

postggj · 18th December 2007, 13:17

many appologies

petej2811 · 18th December 2007, 13:22

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Originally Posted by hammi_poop

Hi there im contacting you as I have just read your thread regarding the above company. I parked at the rear of a local pub in my home town and used the pub to have lunch. The signs with all the ins and outs did not mention anything apart from that it was maximum stay of 2 hours for customers. So i went in for my dinner to find when i returned to my car I had received one of there parking charge notices. When i spoke to one of the management she claimed there were 4 signs stating you had to sign a book! So i looked for the signs there was one above head height just at the side of an alley way and one printed on a4 on the door as you came in. Ok maybe its my fault for not seeing the sign but my friend went in before me so the door was open and the sign not in front of me as i entered!Please help

My apologies for not getting back to you sooner. I notice that the post has been hijacked!

There is a guide at the top of the forum. Please read it. If you need further advice I'm happy to do so on a one to one basis provided you email me (the address is in the guide).

Regards,

PJ

interesting · 18th December 2007, 20:22

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Originally Posted by petej2811

Please don't give advice to people who have asked questions of me. Its rude, obstructive and unhelpful. When you hijack posts like this it makes it difficult for the message of good practice to come out.

I personally find your motives questionable and would suggest that it is unacceptable that requests made of me be replied to by you. You weren't good enough to respond to my private request the other day either, which hardly lends to your credibility.

I may have to take issue if you offer advice to people asking questions of me again.

PJ

Please feel free to take issue

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