2 tickets in 35mins !

[dougsta]

Parked car on single yellow line to go into building to sort out a private parking space, after 10 mins go back to my car to see PCN, oh well, might as well leave car there, didn't touch/read PCN, thought I wouldn't get another... later same day went back to find 2 PCNs on the screen from 2 PAs

1st at 09:12, 02 Parked or loading/unloading in a restricted street where waiting and loading/unloading restrictions are in force.

2nd at 09:37 (35 mins later!) 01 Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours.

A different restricted area is listed in each PCN as well as the different contravention above

do I have to pay both? do I only pay one? which one?

Doug

[zedox]

What are the loading/unloading restrictions on this road?

Scan and post both the front and backs of each ticket in this topic.
There may be errors with either or both tickets which could get you off paying them...


DO NOT PAY EITHER TICKET, until people here have spoken to you.

[Bernie_the_Bolt]

You don't have to pay either if they are not correctly drafted but you will need to go through the appeals process to establish this.

You don't have to pay either if you can establish that one of the statutory grounds for appeal apply (including that you were not parked where the PCN says you were).

[green_and_mean]

Originally Posted by dougsta

do I have to pay both? do I only pay one? which one?

Doug

If the PCNs are valid you will have to pay both, a PCN is not a ticket to park its a penalty for parking in contravention if you parked in breach of two different 'offences' at different times you can get two PCNs.

[dougsta]

will scan the PCNs when I get home from work

I'll also post the picture of the sign kindly provided by the PA later

sign is as follows

rectangle divided into 4

1-top left, yellow b/g
No waiting sign (red circle with red diagonal on blue background)
Mon - Fri
7:30am - 6:30pm
Sat
8:30am - 6:30pm

2-top right, yellow b/g
No waiting sign (red circle with red diagonal on blue background)
At any time

3-bottom left, white b/g
No loading
Mon - Fri
7:30 - 9:30am
4:00 - 6:30pm
Sat
7:30 - 9:30am
4:00 - 6:30pm

4- bottom right, white b/g
No loading
at
any
time


so looks like I've been done for no loading between 7:30-9:30am Mon-Fri on the 1st ticket and no waiting on the 2nd, road marking was a single yellow.

I wasn't loading tho, I was waiting/parking.

[dougsta]

the sign

[dougsta]

2 tickets front

[dougsta]

[zedox]

Im sure someone with better knowledge than myself will clear this up for you...

There is no information suggesting a "notice to owner" will be issued if you do not pay within 28 days.

I know this is required on london council tickets, so as I say someone will be able to clear this up for you!

[green_and_mean]

Originally Posted by zedox

Im sure someone with better knowledge than myself will clear this up for you...

There is no information suggesting a "notice to owner" will be issued if you do not pay within 28 days.

I know this is required on london council tickets, so as I say someone will be able to clear this up for you!

It says that under the 'what happens next' section.

[green_and_mean]

Originally Posted by dougsta

I wasn't loading tho, I was waiting/parking.

The first was parked during a parking restriction, the second was parked during a loading restriction, you do not have to be loading just parked.

[dougsta]

for the 1st PCN (see photo right side) at 9:12am the contravention listed on the ticket is "02 parked OR loading/unloading" note the OR so I must have been loading/unloading

for the 2nd PCN (see picture left side) at 9:35am the contravention listed on the ticket is "01 parked"

the tickets list the same street (South Gyle Crescent) but different restricted areas
1st ticket restricted area = OP LM SME3
2nd ticket restricted area = OP NHS BUILDING

I parked at 9:05 and did not move the car, I could have only ever been in 1 restricted area

[green_and_mean]

I am in front of my tv I am also behind my desk this does not make me in different places its just a different description of the same place. I have already tried to explain twice, you remained in the same place but the contravention changed which is why you got two PCNs if you had stayed until 4.00pm you could have got a third.

[patdavies]

Both PCNs state on the front

"The owner is required to pay..."

This is not true and is, IMO, prejudicial.

The owner becomes liable at the NtO stage