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18th May 2006, 18:06
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| | Basic Account Customer | Re: Parking Tickets Thanks, for the info on the updates.
I am sure the three sizes allowed for Yellow lines, in brackets on diagram, correspond to limits under 40mph, sensitive areas and one other situation....if you know the three situations please let me know ......i know i have seen it in writing but i can't find it now.
.....oh there it is in Seylectric's post further up.......do you recall were the info came from?
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18th May 2006, 18:27
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| | Basic Account Customer
Where else can you earn 8% interest on your money? Start your County Court claim NOW!!! Cagger since
: May 2006 I am in: Anglesey
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| Re: Parking Tickets Quote: |
Originally Posted by seylectric
There are actually three acceptable widths:
100mm is the standard width, 75mm can be used in areas where the speed limit is less than 40mph (so expect these to be the most common) and 50mm in "environmentally sensitive areas". So the yellow line has to be EXACTLY this width. Again the law doesn't officially permit any deviation from this so if a "75mm" line is 74 or 76mm ALONG IT'S WHOLE LENGTH it's invalid! Hey, we didn't make the rules!  | I guess it all means that yellow lines in areas under 40 mph must be between 130 - 67.5mm (+30%/-10% of 100mm & 75mm) to be enforcable (not inc sensitive areas) considering the allowable tolerance (permitted variations) for Sch. 6 marking in the regs.
But don't forget the bars on the ends there is only one size for these and the tolerances would mean they have to be no more than 195mm or no less than 135mm (+30%/-10% of 150mm) from the edge of the continuous yellow line.
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18th May 2006, 19:55
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| | Basic Account Customer
Is your bank avoiding its debts Data disclosure poll Cagger since
: May 2006 I am in: Anglesey
Posts: 52
| Re: Parking Tickets Permitted Variations & Permitted Variants....slight difference in wording.
So you could have permitted variations of permitted variants......i.e. allowed tolerance of the different allowed sizes.
had me thinking it contradicted itself for a while  . |
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23rd May 2006, 18:43
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| | Classic Account Customer
Where else can you earn 8% interest on your money? Start your County Court claim NOW!!! Cagger since
: Mar 2006
Posts: 288
| Re: Parking Tickets Is there a time limit they can persue for these, ive just received last week, a a letter from the courts for a warrant for my arrest. After callling them to find out whats its in relation to they said they couldnt tell me other than they thought it was a parking offense. Wrote a letter asking for details they just got back today, ots from 2-11-2001!!!!!
The ofsense took place in Liverpool and i was working in Leeds at the time, my car was at home.
They said that all the paperwork, is in transit ie. beeing archived. How do i proceed, ask for copies of the original docs? copy of the ticket, court paperwork etc...
This is the first time i have received anything from them |
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23rd May 2006, 19:55
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| | Platinum Account Customer | Re: Parking Tickets Sounds like it's for non-payment of a fine. Can't happen now if the schemes are council run because it's decriminalised but it wouldn't have been in 2001, the ticket would have been issued by the police.
All motoring offences, to the best of my knowledge, must be charged within 6 months of the date of the offence but I don't think there's a time lmit for collection of any subsequent fines. This could have been issued in error, sounds like a job for a solicitor or visit www.pepipoo.co.uk for good advice. |
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26th May 2006, 02:27
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| | Platinum Account Customer | Re: Parking Tickets Quote: |
Originally Posted by seylectric The point here is that it's grossly unfair of councils to penalise people for not obeying local by-laws if they don't know those by-laws exist, especially if there is no way of knowing if there are no signs up. Do you check every by-law of every locality you enter? Of course you don't! Should you be reasonably expected to? Of course you shouldn't! But councils are using this sort of thing simply to make money out of people and for that there IS no excuse.
As for the broken double (or single) yellow lines issue, sorry but you are incorrect. The law states that the line has to be solid, i.e. unbroken. If it isn't it's not a legal yellow line and can't (or shouldn't) be enforced, where you are parked on it is irrelevant. | Correct Also if the line is obscured at any part by fallen leaves or other debris it MAY not be valid. They can't charge us taxes & not clear the gutter. As the courts have said "they can't have it both ways" If the line is broken by recent or old road works (they came along & dug a hole) its not valid. If the road surface has broken up removing part of the line it isn't valid If there is no end T bar it isn't valid The list is endless & most motorists wouldn't pay a parking ticket if they knew Carry a camera & if you get a ticket take plenty of photos making sure that your photos are able to ID location. Follow the line a take photos when you see any of the above markings even if they look legal If you enter a private car park such as a supermarket & there are signs telling you that not complying or overstaying will result in you being 'fined' or paying a 'penalty' Write to the parking company AND the store or other C/P owner & ask under which statute they are able to issue 'fines' or penalties' They aren't & its illegal for them to imply they can & it makes their tickets unenforcable One of the biggest culprits for claiming this are the hospital car parks who tend to use the term 'penalty' a lot on the assumption that being a hospital people will assume they can. They cant |
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26th May 2006, 03:04
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| | Platinum Account Customer | Re: Parking Tickets Exactly, and one of the biggest issues for me is that councils expect us to obey th law but flout it themselves.
For example my stepson recently received a Notice to Owner relating to a parking ticket he had never got. We appealed on the basis that no ticket had been issued as far as we knew, but the appeal was rejected in a letter this morning:
"After careful consideration of the circumstances I have found no grounds for the cancellation of the charge. The PCN was correctly issued blah blah..."
So what? The PCN might well have been "correctly issued" but the law states something like it must be handed to the driver or stuck to the vehicle. It wasn't, the Notice to Owner was the first we knew about it (and I was with him on the day of the incident, he WAS parked partly on a bus stop but there was no ticket on the car when we got back to it).
If the driver wasn't issued with the PCN then whether he was illegally parked or not is irrelevant. What gives them the right to ignore the law? The council are either ignoring the law or are totally ignorant of it, next step will be to write back to them quoting the law in this case. I will invite the parking manager to offer his resignation.
This is all incidental anyway as the PCNs in my locality are illegally worded, more details in this thread: Your parking ticket may be unlawful
There's a lot of it but it's an interesting read... |
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26th May 2006, 14:38
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| | Platinum Account Customer
Is your bank avoiding its debts Data disclosure poll Cagger since
: Apr 2006 I am in: Kent
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Originally Posted by seylectric You will find more informative reading on the other thread I posted, link in the thread above your post. | Just read it all. Thanks for that, v interesting indeed.
I will do some contemplating over the weekend and compose a suitable letter me thinks!! |
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1st June 2006, 01:17
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| | Platinum Account Customer | Re: Parking Tickets Quote: |
Originally Posted by Mumofthreeboys Just read it all. Thanks for that, v interesting indeed.
I will do some contemplating over the weekend and compose a suitable letter me thinks!! | Parking tickets, speeding? go here http://www.pepipoo.com great site & the motoring equivalent of this one |
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1st June 2006, 12:32
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Lueeze
Guest | Re: Parking Tickets I got a ticket as my moeny had run out in a car park.
At the top it says Penalty charge notice...Im guessing this is the correct wording? I checked everything else on this thread. | |
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1st June 2006, 12:40
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| | Platinum Account Customer
Your bank owes you an awful lot more money than you realise See here Cagger since
: Mar 2006 I am in: A couple of feet from the screen!
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| Re: Parking Tickets That's correct, if you want to email a copy to me I can check it for you though. |
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1st June 2006, 12:59
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| | Platinum Account Customer | Re: Parking Tickets Quote: |
Originally Posted by Lueeze I got a ticket as my moeny had run out in a car park.
At the top it says Penalty charge notice...Im guessing this is the correct wording? I checked everything else on this thread. | No the wording is wrong. Since decriminalised parking was introduced local authorities have no power to issue “fines” which are by implication the same as “penalties”. Most authorities where this term has been challenged have stopped using it. A fixed penalty can only be given if you agree to it otherwise only a court of law can impose a “fine” or “penalty” It says so in "The Bill of Rights" If the ticket refers to it being a fine or penalty it is invalid & frankly I’m surprised there are still councils out there still doing this but then I shouldn’t be I suppose Also does it have a date of offence & date of issue & clear location? The markings MUST comply with regulations & there should be no breaks. The lines must be of a specified size & have T bars donating their ends. If Mr Utility comes along & digs a hole then fills it in but doesn’t replace the P/R lines then any restriction is invalid. There are a multitude of other circumstances to numerous to go through here which invalidate parking restrictions & if you knew them all its highly unlikely you would ever pay another parking ticket I will post links to some very good sites in my next post just that I have so much running on the PC at the moment it’ll take me a while Watch out for the term "Penalty" in private car parks. s/markets hospitals etc they are all unenforcable although because most of these people are both arrogant AND stupid there are times when you may have to go to court to prove it |
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1st June 2006, 13:11
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| | Platinum Account Customer
Is your bank avoiding its debts Data disclosure poll Cagger since
: Mar 2006 I am in: A couple of feet from the screen!
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| Re: Parking Tickets Very interesting info about the word "Penalty" because alomst every parking ticket is officially referred to as a PCN - Penalty Charge Notice - and I haven't seen one that is worded differently, as far as I know that's the correct official wording. The main issue over wording on tickets seems to be the wording surrounding the date, i.e. if it doesn't have "Date of Issue" it's wrongly worded and it also must show a Date of Contravention. Blackpool's tickets are illegal on this score because they only show a Date of Offence.
Far more legal info in the other thread referred to earlier to be honest, shame we have to similar threads going really. |
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1st June 2006, 13:31
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| | Basic Account Customer | Re: Parking Tickets Quote: |
Originally Posted by seylectric Sorry, I've no idea what you got that little gem from but it's complete nonsense. | Got it direct from the Central Ticket Office, Strathclyde Police HQ, Pitt St, Glasgow.
This is the office that accepts the money, or issues the court summons for unpaid fixed penalty notices. They also issue the procedures, restrictions, and legislation to all Traffic Wardens in the Strathclyde region. According to them, the legislation in Scotland regarding yellow lines is just as I explained in my previous post.
edit to add: Traffic Wardens are still employed by the Police in many parts of Scotland, even in areas where the local council have their own Parking Attendants operating. The TWs enforce yellow lines, controlled parking areas, and on-street parking. The PAs stick to local authority car parks.
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