Aggression

[Bigdess]

Has any nurse ever witnessed management protecting another nurse following an aggressive incident on a patient.Applies to psychiatry.

Bigdess

[poppynurse]

Can you clarify the situation please - it sounds like a nurse has been aggressive to a patient??? Big no no

[louis wu]

Or do you mean a patient has been aggressive towards a nurse, and a manager has had to protect a nurse from injury?

Big no no (although some people think its acceptable)

[Bigdess]

It concerns a individual who was physically aggressive towards a patient,this incident happened long before the UKKC (NMC) came into being.This person was protected by certain senior nurse managers because they felt he was one of the boys.This person has become CSM and used his bullying tactics to climb to the top,the post was never advertised.The patient concerned had to receive three sutures above his (L) eye following a punch he received from this person,at the time the person was ward manager.Many more spring to mind

Bullying those nurses who worked on his ward (verbal aggression)
Encouraging stds when leaving his ward to buy alcohol.
F-----g consultants off during ward rds and while they were on his ward.
Being involved in a ward manager click so that one would protect the other.
Consuming alcohol while on duty,ie xmas parties

I could go on forever,I just happened to be speaking with my colleagues over coffee at change of shift.We were talking about some of the patients we nursed in the past and the colourful personalities we encountered along the way.And in the course of the conversation this particular individual sprung to mind.Hence the question.

Bigdess

[poppynurse]

Sounds like terrible management. I would like to think that this could not happen today, if it did there should be policies in place to deal with issues such as capability, bullying, whistleblowing, disciplinary as well as regulation by the NMC.

[Bigdess]

In those days this was the norm,some of the things I have seen down through the yrs dosn't bear thinking about.In those days it was turn the other cheek or else.Certain sections of management behaved in a really disgraceful manner.If that nurse was working in the wards today he wouldn't last one week.I am now working in a dementia assessment unit, and very happy,I prefer to work with female staff because I get on much better with them,they make you feel part of a team and the crac is pretty good.I love to see my patients smile and laugh and enjoy making them laugh Hunter Patch Adams style (Clown Nursing)

Bigdess

[honey5]

sorry i know this is an old thread and the statement "in those days" made me think...........
i went to the UKCC in London to a hearing not too long ago, YES abuse these days does still occur, thankfully there was both myself and another nurse as wittness, as the "abusing nurse" when confronted said "ill turn the tale and say one of you did it if im caught"
therefore she knew what she was doing!!!
its not a nice experience and dragged out for almost 18 month before she was sacked (obviously under investigation she was suspended) we ended up with protection due to the incident as obviously relatives wanted to know if their mother/father etc were abused
but in answer yes it goes on, and id have no hesitation whatsoever in reporting it as long as there are more than yourself as wittness
honey x

[patrickq1]

i have just come out of hospital after a twin bypass to restore the bloodflow to my legs next i have a heart bypass poss next april/may,
the reason i am writing this is to make my feeling known and my absolute disgust at some PRACTICES GOING ON IN OUR LOCAL NHS TRUST HOSPITAL,north wales
i was in the hospital for nine days but during this time i witnessed the most inhuman treatment by a male nurse and his co horts,i am only 55 and have my brain still working and in full control of what is going on within me and around me,but what i witnessed was so distressing(even now my angina has flared up badly in writing this distressing letter)as mentioned above this male nurse who came on the night shift in the ward was something i could nt beleive what i had witnessed,the nurse was bullying patients and in particular it would happen late in the evenings about 11:30 he would start his rounds of our ward looking in on patients who had rung their emergency bell,on this ward it was mostly old aged persons when i say old age i mean they were mostly in their 80 plus,one old fella accross from me was suffering slight dementure and when he came awake he would be confused (he had a simmallar bypas op)during his confusion he would try to get out of bed i say try he would litteraly fall out of the bed and then the nurse would put him into a chamode to sit for a couple of hours where he would then fall asleep again,one of the reasons for falling out of bed was the safety guards were not always up...i thought on the first night that ok the nurse was wrong by not ensuring the guard was in place,he would also tug at his catheter due to his confusion,i heard the coments from the nurse and what he was saying was alarming to me even in my state and under the influence of the drugs i was being prescribed i thought i was dreaming but i was also aware rhat on my third night after my op and came out of intensive care i heard the nurse from behind the screens talking to the old fella and saying stop being a silly old man just do as you are told,the nurse was not aware i was awake,i then heard the old fella -whimper in pain on a few occasions during the night and not being able to see what excactly what the nurse was doing ,but when the nurse removed the screen he had done a bed change and looks like he had cleaned the old fella up,this was my first night on the open ward where six men where in..on the second night the old fella repeated his routine of trying to get out of bed this time i rang for the nurse and he came to my bed i questioned why he had not respoded to the old fella he said he was a pain in the ass and sometimes it does them good to be left to stew for a while,well i thought abaout this and then the nurse must have thought twice and pulled the screen around the old fella this time i heard him whimper at least four or five times and when the srceen was romoved the male nurse went away with soiled sheets,the old fella was crying by this time and i was concerned so i rang the alarm again half an hour later the nurse came to me and i then questioned him why he had taken almost half an hour to see to me,as i could see the nurse sitting with his feet up on the desk ignoring my calls(through a side window pane his reflection)so i told him why does he not prescribe a sleeping draft for the OF as their was a senior nurse their to administer any medication,he just said the OF was being akward.with this i disagreed and told him he should nt bully and really should try to understand this old fella,he was miffed at this then the senior nurse came to me and said he is the nurse for this ward and his opinion counts and he has been in this job so long he knows better so leave it at that this was about 2:30 in the morn by then and the old fella was asleep by then so i left it at that ,at 6:30 in the morn two female nurses came in and changed his bedding again very caring and very good they were to mthe next day during the day this young nurse came on the ward and was speaking to the patient next to me but it was her tone and manner that i was concerned about and i am the last one who bullies dont want to meet i cannot stand bullying and in front of the whole ward i raised my voice to this nurse who was in her last year of trining and told her what i thought in front of the whole ward just what i thought of her bullying she almost burst into tears and i dressed her down uncontrolably and i reilised i was going a bit far so i then spoke with her quietly and warned her that i would not tolerate this systematic bullying and complained to a senior nurse,she was removed from the ward and an apoligy was made to the patient who later thanked me as did all the other patients,even the olf fella smiledmwell as the days were going by this male nurse who was on permenant night was being seen less and less then on the friday night on my seventh day the male nurse was on duty again and this time i noticed what i thought was odd was this nurse who for most of the week was making and giving out prescriptions had cut off my pain releif supply of the mothphene and i questioned this and asked why he said it was in my notes that i complained they made me sick,so i said that gives you no right to stop supply ,he was annoyed at this and i think he was in a foul mood so he said he would see another nurse and with this je came back with a seniour nurse who said he thought he was doing right by you mi told her then that he had no right and even so i feel that this practice of one nurse adminitering drugs alone should be frouwned upon and she said he was doing this for so many years he is unlikely to make any mistakes,well i was not happy with this and said so,during that friday eve he was then persistantly switching on the trash machine and this had been going on nightly and would usually start about 12:00 midnight but i did not reilise it until then that it only started when i first made my opinions known to him ,so he would deliberatley switch this machine on and leave the door wide open this distuberd everyone sleep and then he would repeat this proccess every night till i blew a fuse and rang my bell persistantly he tried to ignore this so i got out of bed this was at 3:00 on the fri/sat morn and went straight to the door and slapped it closed then i went to the telly room about two more wards down the corrider their he was reading a paper,i entered and told him in no uncertain terms just what i think of him and his childish pranks but he can be rest assured that i was going to make a formal complaint towards his attitude..i thought this would be the end of things untill the last bight i was in the hospital,where he got one patient in the next bed beside me at 12:00 midnight he put this fella in the toilet chamode and left him their in full veiw of the whole ward to do his bussiness not only that because the fella was hust out two days from a op because he was almost thirty stone and drugged upto the eyeball and was nt fully comprehending his situation the fella fell asleep on the chamode and during his sleep he must have done the toilet at least three times and the smell was unbearable,then at 4:00 in the morning he put the fella to bed then went to see to the old fella accross from me i think he thought i was asleep as i was pretending to be but what i witnessed was unbeleivable and so sickening i got out of bed when he finnished and went and found the seniour nurse by this time it was past 5:00 in the morn,he was changing the old fellas bed (considering the old fella had a simmallar op to me twin bypass)he got the old fellas head and back and sat him upright in an ubeleivable fashion and as fast as he could this must have been excrutiating and even now i feel that pain trying to sit upright so you can imagine the pain he cause the old fella ,then he removed the old fellas catheter and when he had changed his sheets he then left the old fella without replacing the cathetermwell within the our i was witnessing urine pouring over the sides of the old fellas bed (can you imagine all this urine going into an open stitches wound ,i witnessed the most in humane treatment ,i could not find the senior nurse but when i found him again at six o clock in the morn i informed him what i witnessed his reply was no one would beleive me,well he was wrong as two other patient complained against him,i saw the matron and her boss and told them of his systematic bullying and in human treatment of patients they prommised they would look into this complaint and see what they could do ,,to date i have not heard from the hospital but i also informed my surgeon what i had witnessed and told him i was making a complaint and he said i should,i also informed that they should have an investigation into this male nurse as i beleive if some hasnt already died in his care then someone more frail will,i still have not heard from the hospital as they released me the very next day ,i was also informed by a nurse they will brush it under the carpet
patrickq1

[mree]

If you're really concerned by his behaviour, you could report this nurse to the Nursing and Midwifery Council - NMC Internet

[patrickq1]

thank you i am deeply concerned,i found my stay distubing but i cannot complain about my treatment in ITU i was in there for two days and found it absolutely brilliant i just wish all the staff had the same attitude..but i am concerned and am glad of the information you have posted...i shall pass my information onto them,i am concerned in the fact that he may have already caused serious harm to other patients their is no excuse for what he was doing imo i think he is mentally disturbed but again i am gratefull for your input
patrickq1

[poppynurse]

Originally Posted by patrickq1

thank you i am deeply concerned,i found my stay distubing but i cannot complain about my treatment in ITU i was in there for two days and found it absolutely brilliant i just wish all the staff had the same attitude..but i am concerned and am glad of the information you have posted...i shall pass my information onto them,i am concerned in the fact that he may have already caused serious harm to other patients their is no excuse for what he was doing imo i think he is mentally disturbed but again i am gratefull for your input
patrickq1

I think you need to put your concerns in writing to the director of nursing at the trust who can then investigate. And please use punctuation - it makes reading so much easier

[patrickq1]

i have written my complaint and concerns to the address given above the nmc ,i can honestly say that i am suffering nightmares from this not all the time but enough to wake me and remind me of the pain i am going through from my op,i was not excpecting the operation i had i thought couple of hours and i will be out next day lol
fat chance its now been five weeks since my op and i was out in 9 days ,my doctor said dont forget this was a major op and it does not heal overnight ,then offered to put me on the morphine uuggghh no thanks i will put up with the pain for now ,i have told the people i wrote to yesterday that i was willing to come forward as a witness,unfortunitly one of the patients he was bullying has sadly passed away cancer of the pancreas not sure how to spell it,its sad that this nurse has to have such a bad and sneaky attitude to people he should care for its sad that it has taken someone like me to step into the breach so to say and stand up for any future patients who have the dreaded misfortune to come accross someone so twisted ,i would nt leave him in charge of a cat let alone patients
anyway i have now started it so i will see it through to the end
patrickq1

[honey5]

im really sorry that you have had to witness this abuse or that indeed it goes on at all, I wish you a speedy recovery from your operation, but please dont let the pain drag you down, the recovery will take alot longer if you are having to deal with that too
honey x