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  1. Hi again, and thanks for replying. Im not sure 'how' they are being stored and im not too up on servers or what they do etc, but i know she can definitely watch them from home. As she only actually comes into work 1 day a week, and shes been phoning up about something we're doing every day of the week whilst she is at home 4 days. Dont think there will be any CCTV policy, i'd be very surprised. Its definitely not the type of place thats up on procedures or any aspect of health and safety. Theres lads climbing up 20ft racking, using over head cranes without a licence, as well as forklift trucks, gas bottles not stored in a cage, and we're told to hide them all in box wooden crates if any type of health and safety officer is visiting. You get the idea. I dont even have a contract, or not that i know of. I got offered the job from the manager on the shop floor, never signed anything, or spoke to anyone from the office, and that was that. Ive since had to fill in the odd 'emergency contact details' peices of paper that come out of the office, but apart from that thats it. Its not just me, ive spoke to at least 12 others in there and none of them are even sure if they have a contract. The more i think about it, the more i think the best road to take is to just get a new job as soon as possible.
  2. Thanks gbarb and BM for replying. BM, what i meant about the camera signs, is that on the outside of the building there are about 6 cameras facing the exits and car park, and there is one sign next to one of the cameras. These were put up, and we thought nothing of it. But then at a later period maybe a week or so, they put cameras up every where inside. No signs up inside, so i dont know whether they are supposed to or whether the one on the outside will do? Would have been nice for them to let us know that they're putting them up too. Thanks again its appreciated
  3. Hi, Was searching on google for human rights in the work place etc and this forum seemed very helpful so here i am. Its a little bit long winded, but wanted to give a good description and a few examples so you can understand properly what exactly is going on so please bare with me. I've worked for my current employer for 5 years now. Never really had any trouble, never had a formal warning anyway. I was called into the office once, and informed that my manager had been caught stealing, he admitted to it and was being sacked immediately. I asked why i'd been called in (going in the office is very rare there, id been there 2 years and never seen this woman before, she owns the business) and she said well i asked the manager if anyone else was involved helping him steal, and i quote she said "we 'think' he muffled your name under his breath". I was pretty gob smacked that a professional business owner came out with something as ridiculous as a remark like that, but rather than start saying well if you didn't hear him properly why didn't you ask him to repeat it, i just explained that i was innocent (Which i was) and that i had no idea about it (which i didn't) and that was the end of that. I later bumped into my ex manager outside of work, told him all about it and he called her a liar etc that she was 'trying it on' to see if i knew anything and would drop anyone else in it, i believed him and just thought she obviously doesn't like the look of me or trust me. Anyway, about 2 weeks ago, we all came into work and there was talk on the shop floor of something else had gone missing, and there were guys outside putting cctv cameras up on the outside of the building pointing towards the exits, which we thought great at least they'll have a chance of catching the thief. They put a sign up on the wall stating that they are cctv cameras. A week later, we walked into work to what we could only describe as the big brother house. Its not a huge place, theres about 30 workers, and 12+ cameras up inside. No one told us there going up, no signs up with them, we just basically noticed them. Asked my direct manager and he just said oh yeah 'she' the owner wants to keep an eye on things, and that she's got the cameras streaming over the internet so that she can view them whilst at home and at work. Same day, i went outside, loaded up a wagon, started walking inside and my direct manager come outside, "shes just been on the phone, she just saw on the cameras you havent shut the gates behind you go and close them" so of course i did. Later that day, loaded up a van with a delivery which i was told to do by my manager, whilst i was in the middle of it, my direct manager got a phone call, "whats going on hes putting boxes in the back of a van quick go and stop them", my manager told her it was an order going out for delivery and he knew all about it. He told me this happened later on after it all. Thats just to give you an example of how it feels like there watching our every move, i can understand it that they want to make sure they catch who ever it is thats stealing, but they've had 2 people in the office because she saw them on cctv stood in front of the heaters for too long one day. And today to top it off, my manager had a meeting with her, came out and told me that she wanted a meeting with me and one of the other lads, i knew something was up because she never talks to us. I asked my manager what about and he said 'its about something shes seen you doing on the cameras'. We went in to see her and she had our clock cards on the desk, and said that it was about us being late. I have been late a few times only a few minutes not that that makes a difference and to be honest a warning for time keeping has been long over due for me and im going to have to sort that out as of now, but she said to us both i just want you to sort your time keeping out and work a bit harder. So i said is this just about our time keeping, or do you not think we're working hard enough from what youve seen on camera, and she said no its just about your time keeping. I left the room a bit confused as to why my manager had said she wanted to see us about something she saw on camera, and she said its nothing to do with what shes seen on camera. So i asked another manager who i get on with quite well who was also in that original meeting with her and my manager, he told me that she had been discussing with them what she had been seeing on the cameras, that she had been watching me and this other lad and that he in particular wasn't doing much work throughout the day and they had a discussion about it. I asked my boss then, in that meeting, did she say anything to you about watching me on camera? he said no. I said are you sure becuase i over heard something and have a reason to believe she did, he said no definitely no. So i know for a full on fact hes lying, which makes me not trust him in the slightest now. It makes you feel very uncomfortable thinking every second of the day she is sat at home watching you. Im not a lazy worker, my manager although i dont trust him, he does like me as a worker because i help him out and am able to do more than the others in our department because ive been there a while and although i get paid the same as them theres always asking me how do i do this or do you know what to do with this etc so it takes alot off his shoulders so im pretty sure he wouldnt want me out himself as it would mean alot more work and mither for him. Hes told me that himself. So it doesnt particularly worry me that shes going to see me stood about, because its rare i do, but im finding myself now having to work differently, do my job differently because im constantly thinking 'how does this look on camera'. For example, i use a calculator alot and as we only have one in the office i used to just whip my phone out and do it on my phone, now i fear it might look like im texting, so i have to go into the office to do sums on calculator. Another example, we have to do alot of counting items in cases/boxes, im finding myself not leaning over a case counting whats inside it, because from the cameras view, im just leaning over a case, im instead knocking the sides off it, and finger counting each one so that the camera can see that what im doing is counting. Basically after all that, what i (and my work mates) want to know is is this allowed? Is she allowed to put cameras up all over the place without letting us know or even putting signs up inside? And if thats perfectly fine, is she allowed to sit there watching us all the time, checking on how much work were doing? Some of the lads are saying they think shes only allowed to use them for security, but they dont know this for a fact, just guessing. Another thing i thought about was, if the work place had lots of females in there, would a male boss/owner be able to sit at home watching them all day? I would've thought no, so don't see how its any different. If your'e still reading after all that, thanks for your time, i know its a bit long winded but wanted to give all the details so you can give a good honest reply. Thanks, appreciated.
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