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  1. I posted recently about an unregistered electrcicity meter in the flat i was renting. (Long story short- no bill throughout my tennancy, i was told by previous tennants there was no bill and assumed was included in rent, turns out the flat was simply not being billed by supplier- am stil to work out exaclty why- but seemes it's never been billed in the entire time it's been rented out.) I have a couple of questions about where I stand now that I have moved out. I have talked to the landlord about the problem and they claim ignorance as to why the flat's never been billed, they can't explain why prevoius tennant told me there was no bill etc. In fact they said they have no record of who supplied the electricity- ever! They asked me to find out who the supplier is, which I have done, but beyond that they don't seem too concerned. In a couple of days I return the keys to the landlord and ask for my deposit back. Could the landlord legally withold my deposit and claim that there is an 'unpaid bill' even though that isn't actually the case and won't bill until it's clear what action the suplier takes. I have said i will pay for my share and I will provide a fowarding address for the landlord to get in touch. Currently no one new has moved in and I get the feeling the landlord just wants to wait and see what happnes when someone new does arrive and set up a new account (ie. will the supplier realise.) When this happens and if the supplier realises their mistake how can I make sure I'm back-billed fairly for the time i rented the flat? And how can I use the billing code to decide if the fault is on the part of the supplier?
  2. i've done what i felt was the right thing and talked this through with the landlord. there is indeed a problem- most likely no account was ever set up with the supplier. if i end up having to pay for the entire time of my tenancy (last five years) does anyone know how this is done (an estimate i guess) and how i can make sure it's done fairly and i only have to pay for the time i've been in the flat?
  3. thanks. Someone else checked ECOES and what comes up is the four meters in the building all listed at the same address- which is the address of the whole building. But there is no mention of flat1, flat 2 etc.(four flats in the building.) To check which is my meter, i was going to switch off the mains in my flat at the fuse box and see which meter stops, i didn't want to accidently switch of someone else's supply (i take it it's safe to do this?)
  4. I posted on here a while ago about my unregistered electricity problem. I received some very helpful replies and was able to work out what I think the problem was. I am renting a flat in a block of four flats and although there are four meters all with MPAN numbers, none are registered to the individual flats. Consequently I've never received a bill (moved in 2005) neither had the outgoing tenant. It's most likely a case of an unregistered supply (ie no meter registered to my flat) or simply slack billing by the supplier. I am now about to move out and am not sure whether to flag this problem up or not. I feel I have two choices of how to deal with the situation and I'd really appreciate anyone's advice. Choice 1. I can say nothing and move out. The supplier has no record of me being there. Whenever the new tenants move in they will presumably start a new account. Does anyone know if this will be a 'fresh' account- or will they have to go into the whole history of the current unregistered supply? (where it will could all unravel.) Choice 2. I can flag it with the company that deals with the flat now and say,'look, I've been organising final utilities and just making sure we are both clear that there is no electricity bill. They may well say, no this isn't right, and we will have to try work out the mess between us (and yes, I may well get a big bill.) The BIG but is that I will most likely have to provide final readings when I move out and I cant do this. I could take a reading from what I think is my meter and leave that, but if i have to show a final bill as well then I'm stuffed. All | can think to do is plead ignorance and explain that the previous tenant told me there was no electricity bill (this is true, it's what he told me) and I (perhaps ignorantly) never questioned that. There is also the question of what happened when the last tenant moved out- didn't anyone want to see his final readings? And why didn't the landlord set the supply up properly in the first place? For me though, the question is whether I deal with this now openly and say look, what's the situation here, or move out and wait and see taking a more ignorance is bliss stance. Any advice is gratefully appreciated. I move out on Saturday and have a inventory check on this place a week later. It feels like crunch time..
  5. any final advice from anyone? am about to move out, all meters unregistered, no bills at all, part of me wants to straighten this with l-lord before i leave, part of me thinks i should just go...
  6. new builds aren't covered by the Back Billing Code? that can't be right? I'm sure I've read several cases of new builds and no one metioned this. Am in simillar situation btw, only with electricity. Non one registered my metre, just found out after 5 years as am about to move out!
  7. here's what i know- serial numbers, MPAN numbers and the suppliers for four meters (suppliers of three are southern and scottish, the other is eon) i can probably guess which meters mine as there are flat numbers written in pencil above each meter and although it's a bit vague i think i can work mine out (supplier is Southern.) So are you saying I should register this even though i'm moving out? The only problem I have with this is whether the landlord should be registering the meters and not me. Am in london btw.
  8. thanks for the reply. yes, the MPANS aren't on the meter, you're right, it's the serial number. but they do have MPANS assigned to them
  9. Hi Guys, If anyone can help me with this I’d really appreciate it! The situation is this (and I’ll try and be concise.) I'm renting a new build in a small block with three other flats and an office. When I moved in (2005) I was told by the guy moving out that there were no bills for electricity, which I assumed meant it was part of the rent. I've never received a bill addressed to me or 'the occupier' and never been given any contrary info from the landlord or letting agent (ie final readings from last tenant, name of supplier.) I didn't think anything of it until recently when I got a letter from EDF (who supply my gas) saying 'your electricity isn't registered with us do you want to switch etc. As I am planning to move out, this letter prompted me to check out the electricity situation, just to be sure when I move out all is in order. Well, to cut the story short, I found my electricity meter and the meters for the other flats and, with a bit of help from a friend, worked out that none of them are registered to any of the flats. There are four meters and each meter has an MPAN number and a supplier and the address that comes up is the one for the whole building, but none of the meters are registered to the individual flats (ie. my official address is FLat2, xxxx Road, flat upstairs is Flat 1 xxxx road, etc etc.) This makes me slightly suspicious of the previous tenants assertion that ‘there is no electricity bill.’ Now, I could be wrong, the bill could be being paid by the landlord and hence the four meters only having one address. But, to prepare myself for any surprises when I do move out could someone advise me on a couple of things? Where do I stand- is it the landlord’s responsibility to register each meter and make sure I have that info? Should I have been given that info when I moved in? And the previous tenants claim of no bill- that was a verbal statement and could be interpreted in different ways- if the worst came to the worst can I use this in my defence? I know that ultimately the tenant is responsible for utility bills and I can’t see anything on my contract saying electricity is excluded. I’ve thought about raising this with the landlord or simply moving out and claiming ignorance. It would be very helpful to get some advice so I’m prepared before I make my move. Thanks!
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